Dell XPS 15: Throttling or Not?

Before we get into the performance results, I want to veer off on a tangent for a bit. One of my biggest concerns with the new XPS 15 was whether there would be throttling – and if so, how it would take place. The previous XPS had a lot going for it, but the throttling was so bad that the discrete GPU was all but useless in practice. Here's a quick look at the internals of the new XPS 15, along with my attempts to improve cooling by replacing the thermal interface material.

So after unpacking the new XPS 15, the first thing I did was to start running some gaming benchmarks to see if any throttling was taking place. Everything looked good, with consistent performance in my first gaming benchmarks and GPU temperatures typically in the upper 70C range or lower. I continued on with running tests, found a few glitches that I brought up with Dell, and at one point a driver update from NVIDIA came out.

The initial drivers (Intel and NVIDIA) had an issue where playing games at non-native resulted in severe letterboxing (basically everything ran at 1:1 pixels on the display), so that was a problem that needed to be fixed. The updated drivers worked properly in this area, but as I commenced testing something became immediately apparent: GPU throttling was back, and it was quite severe. It’s at this point that I basically got lost in a web of troubleshooting, trying to figure out what was going on. Generally speaking, when the GPU hits 80C or more, the clocks start to drop, and in some cases things are apparently bad enough that the GPU simply gives up and runs at 135MHz core/405MHz GDDR5. As you can imagine, this makes running any game a very poor experience – running on just the iGPU would in most cases result in better performance.

So I rolled back the drivers, returned to the A00 BIOS, and tried many other things, all to no avail – I simply couldn’t reproduce my original gaming benchmark results. Then I opened the bottom of the laptop and tried running with the cover off, and things were a bit better, but there was still throttling and I couldn’t match the original scores. Much time and troubleshooting passed, and then I stumbled on a partial fix: running with the Balanced or Dell profiles appeared to produce better performance (and less throttling) than running on the High Performance profile…but some throttling still seemed to be going on.

By this time, I had two more or less identical XPS 15 laptops in house for testing and troubleshooting, both were behaving in a less than ideal manner as far as GPU clocks are concerned, and I decided I would make a video of the systems running the same tests side-by-side with one using the Dell power profile and the other using the Balanced power profile. In theory, these should be the same, other than the name, but I wasn’t quite sure. Before doing this, I also decided to make sure all the drivers, firmware, etc. were the same on both systems, so I grabbed the latest Dell and NVIDIA drivers, updated the BIOS to A02 on the original laptop, and got ready to shoot my video…and suddenly the throttling was gone…mostly. Ugh.

My best guess at this point was that an updated firmware that I applied for the touchscreen played a role, but I wasn’t certain of that. Running a pathological workload (e.g. Cinebench on seven CPU cores with Furmark on the GPU), it’s possible to get the GPU to throttle, but even there it’s not always as severe as what I experienced for a few weeks. As it stands, I have now tested the XPS 15 (many, many times!) in both 67F ambient and 80F ambient environments, and at least if it’s not too hot performance is basically where it should be for gaming. I haven’t found other talks of throttling either, so perhaps others were testing in cooler rooms or just not hitting the GPU as hard – or maybe it’s just a few specific games or other software where the issue crops up. To be clear, throttling of the GPU does still occur to some extent, but gaming really isn’t a top priority for this system and I think I’ve finally found the workaround.

To first illustrate what’s happening, here are the gaming performance results from my original testing (at our “Mainstream” settings), as well as testing with the latest drivers and firmware at ~67F and ~80F. I’ve normalized the performance to the 67F testing, and I don’t know what the ambient temperature was with my initial testing (probably around 70-75F).

Dell XPS Performance
  Initial Testing 67F Updated Testing 85F Updated Testing
Bioshock Infinite 112.1% 100.0% 100.0%
Elder Scrolls: Skyrim 102.5% 100.0% 99.9%
GRID 2 89.0% 100.0% 100.5%
Metro: Last Light 98.7% 100.0% 99.6%
Sleeping Dogs 100.7% 100.0% 99.6%
StarCraft II: HotS 98.6% 100.0% 99.8%
Tomb Raider 2013 106.7% 100.0% 99.8%

In nearly all cases, the performance is basically equal between the hot and cold testing with the latest drivers, meaning any throttling is mild to non-existent. But there’s still more to discuss. Specifically, I was having problems with GRID 2 being a bit sporadic; the first benchmark run was usually fine, but subsequent runs sometimes ended up with worst-case throttling. In fact just before wrapping up this review, GRID 2 was consistently getting stuck at minimum GPU clocks. In a final effort to figure out what was going on, I logged clocks and temperatures, then rebooted and tested some more. Bingo. For more than five benchmark runs in a row everything is running fine. Yeah, it’s that sort of problem. Here are two charts of GRID 2, with the same settings in both cases, taken within the past 30 minutes – one before rebooting, and one after rebooting:

As you can see, prior to the reboot I was seeing high temperatures and severe throttling. It’s not a gradual throttling before the cutoff either – one second the GPU clocks are at 940/2500MHz and the next they drop to 135/405MHz. The GPU core reaches 88-89C and the CPU hits a maximum of 96C in my first set of benchmarks. In contrast, after a reboot I’m seeing more gradual (sensible) GPU clocks, with a maximum GPU temperature of 81C and a maximum CPU temperature of 87C, with no serious issues.

My conclusion at this point is that there’s some service, driver, or firmware that has some issues, and over time – running without a reboot – this builds up until the above throttling takes place. What specific workload causes this isn’t quite clear; normally when I’m using a laptop I don’t tend to reboot it on a regular basis, and in some cases that can mean days of use running many applications – in fact most of my computers only get rebooted when I apply a new driver or a Windows Update requires it. Anyway, there’s an old joke of sorts with tech support where the solution to many computer problems is to reboot the system. While that may help in many cases – and it certainly does here – this isn’t really a true solution; it’s a workaround. If all the drivers and software are running properly, OS reboots are not required to “fix” anything. As I haven’t been able to determine what exactly causes the system to get backed into these higher temperatures/throttling, all I can say for now is that if you do happen to encounter this glitch, try rebooting.

To summarize then, I don’t really have any remaining serious concerns with the GPU throttling, given the above workaround. If it starts to happen, you’ll know, and while a reboot is inconvenient in my experience it’s not usually required. I do feel Dell was perhaps overly conservative with the fan speeds and target GPU temperatures – and the inherent fan noise – but after being burned by RMA issues with NVIDIA’s G84/G86 back in 2007, I don’t really blame them. I’ve used other laptops that get a lot louder than the XPS 15, but while that might be annoying, to their credit I didn’t see any weird throttling issues. But then, I’ve also never tested a laptop with a QHD+ display before, so that’s a potential root cause (i.e. Intel and/or NVIDIA graphics drivers, and possibly firmware as well). There are 14” laptops with faster GTX 765M GPUs that are basically as thin as the XPS 15 (MSI GE40 and the Razer Blade 14 for example), so it’s not just a matter of size – something else is at play here. If you’re mostly looking for a multimedia or business type laptop, the discrete GPU isn’t really even needed these days – it might have been nice to see a version of the XPS 15 that kept all the other high end features (QHD+ display, pure SSD storage, larger battery) but dropped the GT 750M; there are people (Ganesh, for example) where that would be just about an ideal configuration.

And that’s enough talk about throttling. I’ve obsessed about this issue for much of the past two months, with solutions/workarounds that seemed to come and go. As you can imagine, ultimately determining that a reboot usually fixes the problem is less than satisfying from a troubleshooting perspective, but it’s far better than living with throttling. And the good news here: with an SSD the time it takes to reboot is only about 20 seconds.

As a final comment (and this is being written at 4AM), I spent the whole day and much of yesterday working on one of the XPS 15 laptops finishing this review. I ran some benchmarks, I had Chrome and Firefox running with dozens of tabs open, and I even loaded up a few games. That's all besides editing some images, downloading files, etc. I just reran the GRID 2 benchmark after all of that, and there was no throttling, so this isn't even something that would necessarily crop up daily. Still, it has happened in the past and I assume it will happen again. If Dell can provide a definitive fix for this issue, I’ll revisit this topic and make sure to let you know.

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  • Andrew Lin - Thursday, March 6, 2014 - link

    can i ask how people fixed letterboxing in games? in certain directx11 games (bioshock infinite and anno 2070) i'm still being letterboxed when running at non-native resolution
  • JarredWalton - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    I updated the Intel and NVIDIA drivers and I believe the Intel drivers then have an option to modify the scaling (it may have been present in the release drivers but it didn't work for me).
  • Homeles - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    We've had nothing but trouble with these and other XPS models at work. We must have gotten a bad batch -- a lot of dead HDDs out of the box.

    Conceptually, these are great computers. I love the screens on these. They're not bad to work on (read: repair), although changing one of the SO-DIMM sockets is rather annoying since you have to tear the whole thing down to get to it. I do dislike the slot load drive.

    If it weren't for the myriad of hardware problems I've seen with these, they'd be a great product. Hope the Haswell version doesn't suffer the issues I've seen.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    The new version is much easier to work with IMO -- no slot load drive, about eight hex screws to get to the internals, and if you get the SSD model, no HDD to speak of. But for a business, I suspect you'd want no GPU as it wouldn't be much use, and that's sadly not an option.
  • jameskatt - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    The Dell XPS 15 Haswell Edition is Dell's attempt to copy the MacBoo Pro 15-inch with Retina Display. Interestingly, it costs almost as much. But it fails in two major areas: 1) It doesn't have a PCIe SSD. Thus, its SSD storage is half as fast as Apple's. 2) It doesn't have Thunderbolt connectors. This means you cannot attach external PCI card cases nor get high speed storage as on the much more expandable MacBook Pros.

    Sad. But it is far better to run Windows on a MacBook Pro than to run Windows on a Dell attempt at a clone.

    Dell should stop trying to copy Apple - albeit Apple makes tons of profit on its MacBook Pros. Dell should instead create inexpensive battle-tank PC Laptops that cost under $1000. It simply makes no sense to purchase a PC Laptop that costs more than $1000 - unless you are one of the few gamers.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    There's nothing wrong with trying to copy one of the better designs out there, and Dell does enough different that it's not a major concern in my book. The PCIe SSD isn't a huge blemish, as random IO is pretty much bottlenecked by the NAND and sequential at 2X the speed only happens rarely other than for large file transfers. As for the Thunderbolt... well, it exists on Windows PCs, but it's rarely used right now. I'd say the vast majority of Windows users (including me) have never worried about the lack of a Thunderbolt port.

    Your remaining arguments are full of flaws. Look at a post above where one of the readers comments on running Windows full-time on a MacBook. GPU always on, limited driver updates/support, keyboard not designed around Windows, and a few other issues make that a non-solution for people that don't primarily run OS X. And if you think no one should buy anything more than a $1000 laptop, well, there's a huge market for sub-$1000 laptops it's true, but to get there the quality suffers immensely. I personally wouldn't even consider buying a laptop that didn't have a 512GB class SSD, which is $400 minimum right there. Give me a good display, enough RAM, a quad-core CPU, and then toss in a good battery with good keyboard and touchpad. That puts you at around $1300 bare minimum, and more likely $1800+. I'd expect to use such a system for a few years, where others might buy two $900 laptops and think, "I got a faster solution for less money", but the quality of all the parts ends up being far more important to me these days.

    If money is tight, by all means get an inexpensive option, but don't knock the people and companies aspiring for something more. Part of the reason so many laptops suck these days is because of the race to the bottom we had for the past decade, so please let's not encourage OEMs to start that up again.
  • jphughan - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    Nobody but Apple to my knowledge has bootable PCIe SSDs, because that's not a standard. PCIe is not designed to support storage directly, so Apple has had to bolt on some logic in order to make it work, but (as is typical with Apple), they've got a completely proprietary implementation. Have you ever wondered why you can't just buy a PCIe or miniPCIe SSD standalone, except for the ones that come from Apple laptops? That's why.

    And PCIe SSD storage being twice as fast is a benchmark fact, not a practical real-world one. I would bet that you couldn't reliably tell the two apart in a blind performance test.

    As for Thunderbolt, the only things I've ever seen anybody connect to a Thunderbolt connector are displays and Ethernet dongles. Sure I agree that as a connector it has potential, but frankly it hasn't reached market penetration. I think it will turn out to be the modern-day FireWire port personally.

    And Dell does make laptops under $1000. They just don't make ONLY laptops under $1000.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    I think he's referring to M.2 SSDs that use the PCIe interface for higher performance? I know the Sony VAIO Pro 13 has something like this at least -- maybe just M.2 in general is faster than mSATA. But since it's mostly a benefit for sequential IO and that much sequential IO isn't common in day-to-day use for most laptop users, it's not a deal breaker by any means.
  • Penti - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    The current gen PCI-e SSD's do use AHCI and non Apple PC's do use the same SSDs (in M.2/NGFF form factor) so I don't know where he wants to go with that rant. Logic is in the SSD-controller which isn't custom for Apple by any means. Note here that the PCIe based Apple-Macs support Bootcamp/Windows just fine. At most a bootable PCIe solution requires a BIOS-rom and OS-drivers, but these solutions aren't PCIe to SATA bridges (controllers/adapters) any more, and firmware support is there regardless if it's Apples UEFI or say the Sony's. Shouldn't really be any different to run any other AHCI-drive. Form-factor differs here, but it's the same type of controller and hardware on the (Apple) SSD as with PCIe M.2 drives, which has come with at least controllers from Samsung, Marvell, and SF/LSI now.

    None AHCI-drives (NVMe) are a bit away because the software (OS) doesn't really support them yet, but neither is they offered.
  • Samus - Friday, March 7, 2014 - link

    Wow. $1500 starting price for a Dell?

    Bold, Michael, bold.

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