Testing Platform

For our Kaveri testing AMD sent us two APUs – the top 95W A10-7850K SKU and the configurable TDP version of the A8-7600 APU, the latter of which can be set at 45W or 65W through the BIOS. The A8-7600 was tested in both power configurations, ultimately the difference between them both being only a few hundred MHz. The 65W configuration is only 200 MHz off the A10-7700K base frequency, and incidentally they both turbo to the same frequency of 3.8GHz.

Kaveri will be the first APU put through the mangle in terms of my new 2014 benchmarking suite, focusing on more compute tasks, video conversion in different software, and more real world scenarios geared for the prosumer.

We must thank the following companies for their contribution to the test beds:

Our test setup for AMD is as follows:

AMD APU TestBed
  SKU Cores CPU /
Turbo
DRAM
MHz
Power IGP SPs GPU
MHz
Kaveri APUs A10-7850K 2M/4T 3.7 GHz
4.0 GHz
2133 95W R7 512 720 MHz
A8-7600 2M/4T 3.3 GHz
3.8 GHz
2133 65W R7 384 720 MHz
A8-7600 2M/4T 3.1 GHz
3.3 GHz
2133 45W R7 384 720 MHz
Richland APUs A10-6800K 2M/4T 4.1 GHz
4.4 GHz
2133 100W 8670D 384 844 MHz
A10-6700T 2M/4T 2.5 GHz
3.5 GHz
1866 45W 8650D 384 720 MHz
A8-6500T 2M/4T 2.1 GHz
3.1 GHz
1866 45W 8550D 256 720 MHz
Trinity APUs A10-5800K 2M/4T 3.8 GHz
4.2 GHz
2133 100W 7660D 384 800 MHz
A8-5500 2M/4T 3.2 GHz
3.7 GHz
1866 65W 7560D 256 760 MHz
Memory AMD Radeon 2 x 8 GB DDR3-2133 10-11-11 1.65V
G.Skill RipjawsX 4 x 4 GB DDR3-2133 9-11-11 1.65V
G.Skill RipjawsZ 4 x 4 GB DDR3-1866 8-9-9 1.65V
Motherboards ASRock FM2A88X Extreme6+
ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+
Power Supply OCZ 1250W ZX Series
Storage OCZ 256GB Vertex 3 SSDs
Operating System Windows 7 64-bit SP1 with Core Parking updates
Video Drivers Graphics Driver Build 13.300 RC2 for Radeon R7
Catalyst 13.12 for all others

Unfortunately we were not able to source a 65W Richland part in time, however a midrange 65W Trinity part was on hand. The important thing to note is that within each power bracket, both the CPU frequencies and the supported memory changes depending on the architecture and the binning process AMD uses. The benchmarks in this review are run at the processors' maximum supported frequency, rather than any AMD Memory Profiles which the processor can also support via overclocking. This has implications in conjunction with the IPC or MHz difference.

For this review we also took a few Intel processors of varying TDPs:

Intel TestBed
  SKU Cores CPU /
Turbo
DRAM
MHz
Power IGP SPs GPU
MHz
Sandy Bridge i5-2500K 4C/4T 3.3 GHz
3.7 GHz
1600 95W HD 3000 12 850
Ivy Bridge i3-3225 2C/4T 3.3 GHz 1600 55W HD 4000 16 550
i7-3770K 4C/8T 3.5 GHz
3.9 GHz
1600 77W HD 4000 16 550
Haswell i3-4330 2C/4T 3.5 GHz 1600 54W HD 4600 20  
i7-4770K 4C/8T 3.5 GHz
3.9 GHz
1600 84W HD 4600 20  
i7-4770R
+ Iris Pro
4C/8T 3.2 GHz
3.9 GHz
1600 65W HD 5200 40  
Memory ADATA XPG 2 x 8 GB DDR3L-1600 9-11-9 1.35V
Motherboards ASUS Z87 Gryphon
Power Supply OCZ 1250W ZX Series
Storage OCZ 256GB Vertex 3 SSDs
Operating System Windows 7 64-bit SP1 with Core Parking updates
Video Drivers 15.28.20.64.3347 for HD 3000
15.33.8.64.3345 for HD 4000+4600

Unfortunately our stock of i5 and i3 processors is actually rather limited – Intel prefers to source the i7s when we review those platforms, but I was able to use a personal i3-3225 from my NAS and we sourced the Haswell i3 as well. Given that Ganesh has the BRIX Pro in for review, I asked him to run as many benchmarks from our gaming suite as I could, to see how well Intel's Haswell eDRAM (Crystalwell) equipped processors stand up to Kaveri’s GCN mêlée.

For reference we also benchmarked the only mid-range GPU to hand - a HD 6750 while connected to the i7-4770K.

Overclocking and Underclocking the A10-7850K

As part of the final testing for this review we did some basic overclocking on the A10-7850K processor. Despite our processor being an engineering sample, we would assume that it is as close/identical to the retail silicon as you can get, given that this is meant to be a review on which people make purchasing decisions.

Our A10-7850K CPU starts out with a peak voltage under load of 1.24 volts when running OCCT. From this point we clocked back to 3.5 GHz and 1.100 volts, with a full-on CPU load line calibration and adjusted turbo mode to equal the base clock. Our standard overclocking test applies – OCCT for five minutes, PovRay, and new for 2014, a run of LuxMark. At our settings, we test the system for stability by running these tests. If the system fails, the CPU voltage is raised 0.025 volts until the system is stable during testing. When stable, the system multiplier is then raised and our testing moves on to the new MHz range.

Our results are as follows:

There was an unexpected jump in the voltage required to move from 3.5 GHz to 3.6 GHz (likely hitting the limits of what we can easily attain on this process). The system would not remain stable until 1.225 volts as set in the BIOS.

We also did the power tests, measuring the power draw at the wall as the delta between idle and OCCT load:

As expected, raising the voltage has a significant effect on the power consumption of the processor. One thing I should point out is that even at stock, the power delivery VRMs were getting very hot to touch – so much in fact that the system generated significant errors without an active fan on them. This got worse as the system was overclocked. I am not sure if this is an effect of the platform or the motherboard, but it will be something to inspect in our motherboard reviews going forward.

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  • retrospooty - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    "a low end cpu like the athlon X4 with a HD7750 will be considerably faster than any APU. So in this regard, I disagree with the conclusions that for low end gaming kaveri is the best solution."

    I get your point, but its not really a review issue , its a product issue. AMD certianly cant compete inthe CPU arena. They are good enough, but nowhere near Intel 2 generations ago (Sandy Bridge from 2011). They have a better integrated GPU, so in that sense its bte best integrated GPU, but as you mentioned, if you are into gaming, you can still get better performance on a budget by getting a budget add in card, so why bother with Kaveri?
  • Homeles - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    "I get your point, but its not really a review issue , its a product issue."

    Well, the point of a review is to highlight whether or not a product is worth purchasing.
  • mikato - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - link

    I agree. He should have made analysis from the viewpoint of different computer purchasers. Just one paragraph would have worked, to fill in the blanks.. something like these -
    1. the gamer who will buy a pricier discrete GPU
    2. the HTPC builder
    3. the light gamer + office productivity home user
    4. the purely office productivity type work person
  • just4U - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I can understand why he didn't use a 7750/70 with GDDR5 ... all sub $70 video cards I've seen come with ddr3. Your bucking up by spending that additional 30-60 bucks (sales not considered)
  • Computer Bottleneck - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    The R7 240 GDDR5 comes in at $49.99 AR---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

    So cheap Video cards can have GDDR5 at a low price point.
  • just4U - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    That's a sale though.. it's a $90 card.. I mean sure if it becomes the new norm.. but that hasn't been the case for the past couple of years.
  • ImSpartacus - Thursday, January 16, 2014 - link

    Yeah, if you get aggressive with sales, you can get $70 7790s. That's a lot of GPU for not a lot of money.
  • yankeeDDL - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Do you think that once HSA is supported in SW we can see some of the CPU gap reduced?
    I'd imagine that *if* some of the GPU power can be used to help on FP type of calculation, the boost could be noticeable. Thoughts?
  • thomascheng - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Yes, that is probably why the CPU floating point calculation isn't as strong, but we won't see that until developers use OpenCL and HSA. Most likely the big selling point in the immediate future (3 to 6 month) will be Mantle since it is already being implemented in games. HSA and OpenGL 2.0 are just starting to come out, so we will probably see more news on that 6 months from now with partial support in some application and full support after a year. If the APUs in the Playstation 4 and Xbox One are also HSA supported, we will see more games make use of it before general desktop applications.
  • yankeeDDL - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Agreed. I do hope that the gaming consoles pave the way for more broad adoption of these new techniques. After all, gaming has been pushing most of the innovation for quite some time now.
    CPU improvement has been rather uneventful: I still use a PC with an Athlon II X2 @ 2.8GHz and with a decent graphic card is actually plenty good for most of the work. That's nearly a 5 year old CPU and I don't think there's a 2X improvement even going to a core i3. In any case, there have to be solution to improve IPC that go beyond some circuit optimization, and HSA seems promising. We'll all have to gain if it happens: it would be nice to have again some competition non the CPU side.

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