Socket: FM2+

The new Kaveri processors are built to use the sort-of new FM2+ socket based motherboards. These motherboards fit both FM2+ and FM2 APUs, and thus have been on the market for a good number of months already. However the boards currently on the market may require a BIOS update, and e-tailers shipping motherboards out today may still have the older not-updated revisions in stock, so it is worth confirming that the motherboard you order is updated.

AMD’s generational split on Kaveri is indicative of market pressure and AMD’s history – users like either the processor or the motherboard to be forwards or backwards compatible in terms of compliance. In this case the following table applies:

Socket Compatibility Chart
  Will Work in FM2 Will Work in FM2+
Richland Yes Yes
Kaveri No Yes

As Kaveri comes with two extra pins that are blocked off with older FM2 motherboards, they are not compatible.

For our testing today, we had sourced the ASRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ and FM2A88X-ITX+ motherboards, both of which will be the focus for review in due course.

Chipset/FCH: A55, A78, A88X

To add some confusion into the mix, AMD is using a mixture of old and new chipsets on FM2+. Kaveri will support the A55, A78 and A88X chipset based motherboards, but not the A75 chipset that was used for Llano/FM1 motherboards. Perhaps more confusing is that while the old Richland APUs will be able to be used on FM2+ with A88X, the older FM2 motherboards will not come with A88X. How about a table to make it clearer:

Chipset Compatibility Chart
  Will Work with
Llano APUs
Will Work with
Trinity &
Richland APUs
Will Work with
Kaveri APUs
A55 + FM1 Yes No No
A55 + FM2 No Yes No
A55 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A75 + FM1 Yes No No
A75 + FM2 No Yes No
A78 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A85X + FM2 No Yes No
A88X + FM2+ No Yes Yes

Though even a table doesn't make the compatibility matrix crystal-clear, it does help to make sense of what users can expect for chipset and sock compatibility. Basically, any A88X motherboard you buy will fit the Kaveri APU. For A78, we are currently under the impression that these will be FM2+ only as well, just do not get confused with older ‘AMD 780L’ Northbridge chipsets that were advertised with A78 in the motherboard name that used the AM3 socket. A55 is almost a free-for-all, with FM1 and FM2 motherboards using it.

As for the differences between the older A85X and A88X chipsets, there are only a few to speak of. Support for PCIe 3.0 is the big one, with any FM2+ and A88X motherboard and Kaveri APU taking full advantage of PCIe 3.0 in all its glory, either as an x16 slot or an x8/x8. A88X still has eight 6 Gbps ports and four USB 3.0 ports native, as well as supporting RAID 0, 1, 5 and 10. The other only upgrade to note is the move to XHCI 1.0.

Chipset Comparison
  A55 A75 A78 A85X A88X
Chipsets FM1
FM2
FM2+
FM1
FM2
FM2+ FM2 FM2+
PCIe Generation 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 3.0
PCIe Lane Allocation 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 or 2x8
SATA 6/3 Gbps 0 + 6 6 + 0 6 + 0 (?) 8 + 0 8 + 0
USB Ports (3/2/1.1) 0 + 14 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 (?) 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2
RAID 0, 1, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10
TDP 7.6 W 7.8 W 7.8 W ? 7.8 W 7.8 W ?

Unusually for AMD, little information about chipset evolution was provided through the normal channels.

What about FX CPUs, or Server CPUs?

Leaked roadmaps have not been kind to AMD’s FX range. The ‘king’ of the Vishera family of FX CPUs, the quad-module eight-thread FX-9590, looks like it will be the king of the FX line for a little while longer, as shown in this roadmap:

As you might imagine, there is no public comment from AMD about the lack of new FX CPUs with Steamroller cores coming soon.

Depending on which roadmap you look at, AMD’s server offerings are mixed. Some report that During 2014 we will see the launch of “Warsaw” CPUs featuring 12-16 Piledriver cores, and there is no current mention of high-end Steamroller based Opterons at all. The official roadmap from AMD from June shows this, including their ARM server discussion, but a recently leaked roadmap shows that Steamroller will appear in their 1P compute clusters, followed by Excavator in 2015, but Piledriver based 12-16 thread machines will stay at the top of the pile.

 

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  • jasonelmore - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I really wish these were launching in BGA GDDR5 Laptop/Mini ITX Packages.
  • jaydee - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Pretty much what I was thinking as well. There are two mini-ITX FM2+ motherboards available on newegg, niether are "thin", and neither have DisplayPort. AMD's opportunity here is to market it's 45W Kaveri as the best CPU/GPU for the price in a small package. They NEED to get outside of the typical ATX, micro-ATX, mini-ATX box and into SFF, have all the ports that everyone wants, be creative with packaging and configurations (like GDDR5). They will never win a war with Intel in the traditional form-factor PCs, which is a rapidly shrinking market anyways.
  • takeship - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Agreed. Any build not restricted to half height GPUs is better off going with a cheap intel cpu & discrete card. AMD really should be targeting ultra SFF type builds where Iris Pro is thermally limited, and a dGPU isn't an option.
  • rhx123 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    GDDR5 7750's are available half height and at a decent price point, so even in a Low Profile machine a cheap Intel + 7750 is a better option. That's what I'm running anyway. Passively cooled i3 never reaches above 65c and the Saphire 7750 Low Profile is pretty quiet at idle.
  • Mopar63 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    The last paragraph of this article shows someone that GETS IT, where Kaveri and the APU design in general is heading.
  • nissangtr786 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I can't believe how right I was, I was saying i3 4130 cpu performance and 2400-2500 3dmark11 gpu performance similar to my gt650m in my laptop. Funnily enough my laptop with i5 3210m at 2.9ghz gt650m with screen takes 87w, if I had an i3 4130 it would take about 92w lets say so it is about right. I am more shocked how spot on I was.
  • HammerStrike - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    The entire Anand reader base congratulates you on your deep insight and prophetic powers of deduction.
  • nathanddrews - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I, for one, welcome our new nissangtr786 overlord.
  • Zorba - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    It would have been nice to see some non-integrated chips added to the benchmarks like an FX-6300. Ever since the APUs came out, it seems no reviews actually compare high-end iGPU vs moderate dGPU and CPU. Looking at the price, you could get a decent CPU+GPU for the cost of the A10-7850K, so it would be nice to see that as an option.
  • R3MF - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    "do any AnandTech readers have an interest in an even higher end APU with substantially more graphics horsepower?"

    Yes, and No.

    I do want a higher-end APU, but I'd like to see one with four CPU modules and 256 shaders:

    47% of the kaveri die space is GPU
    http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...d-to-intel....
    If you consider that roughly 20% is uncore, that leaves roughly 33% as CPU.
    Give or take, 8 shader cores is fifty percent larger than 4 cpu cores.
    You could double that cpu portion to 66%, and still leave 14% for shader cores.
    Make the total die size just 10% bigger and you have an 8 cpu core APU with 4 HSA enabled shader cores ready to grind through FPU work. pretty much die-size neutral.

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