GPS on the Fascinate

I spent lots of time testing the Fascinate's GPS and unfortunately, performance was just as bad as I've heard it being on the other Galaxy S phones. It's really the entire line of device's achilles heel.

There are two real issues with the GPS - fix speed, and overall low SNR. I'll start with Fix speed.

I've seen the Fascinate get fast GPS fixes, and then 10 minutes later get extremely slow fixes. It's completely erratic, and there's no predictability to it. Right out of the box, I timed a whopping five minutes (even connected to WiFi) standing in my yard with a huge swath of visible sky.

Other times, the Fascinate gets GPS fixes quickly like any other modern smartphone - within seconds. At one point, I proclaimed to Anand that I was certain I had fixed the issue by disabling Verizon's location services - all my fixes that day took seconds. As we iChatted for the Apple 27" Cinema Display review, I tried to demonstrate my great success - and of course those fast fixes suddenly stopped. It seriously hasn't been fast since.

The other problem is fundamentally low SNR. Look at this shot, and guess which one the Fascinate is:

That's outside at night in a completely empty field with ideal sky visibility - no clouds, no rain, just cold air. Look at how many satellites the Fasciate has compared to an EVO 4G (right) and Nexus One (left).

Repeat the same thing in my office under a foot from a huge window:

This is the case indoors, outdoors, in the rain, daytime, nighttime, it doesn't matter - GPS is just poor on the Fascinate. The device is almost always at least 1 or more acquired satellites fewer, with slightly worse SNR being reported. It's small consolation that at least on Android we can have apps which read NMEA data so we can diagnose exactly what's going on.

Slow GPS fix times can probably be fixed with a software update. I've read differing reports that the Fascinate already has this fix applied - I can only hope the device I had didn't have it. Poor SNR and signal strength, however, is a problem no more fixable on the Fascinate and other Galaxy S phones than it is on the iPhone 4 - unless of course it's being reported incorrectly by the GPS receiver. I believe that GPS accuracy on the Fascinate isn't really as much of a concern when it takes minutes to get a GPS lock. Anything is better than nothing.

Until the GPS issues are fixed, using things like Google Navigation are downright frustrating. I've literally gone driving with the Fascinate, attempted to use Navigation, only to finally get a GPS lock after I'm 3/4ths of the way there and already looked it up on another smartphone-in-test I've got with me. It's frustrating and maddening to say the least.

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  • WiredWired - Sunday, October 31, 2010 - link

    My mom just got this phone yesterday (better than her old Storm 1) so I've been doing some research. Click on one the preset bookmarks and let it load completely. Then go to your history. You'll see it listed with a star next to it indicating it's a bookmark. Click the star and BAM, no more bookmark!

    Having said that, yes, TOO MUCH BING. The mail program is too basic as well. It couldn't identify / guess the proper POP / SMTP settings for her Brighthouse email, whereas my Droid Incredible had no problems at all. While the SF may be on better hardware than the DInc, the software needs a lot of attention.

    For example: Her phone came with NFS and Tetris. NOT from the Android store though. The phone was on full dev mode as well as set to allow apps to be installed from unknown sources. Looks like you have those apps on your phone as well. If you still have the phone, could you check to see if it's in dev mode and allows apps from unknown sources?

    Only other comment is that the guys at the store insisted over and over that it had Android 2.2 already on the phone. Kind of a spur of the moment purchase for her, so I didn't do any research in advance. When I got to check it out, it had 2.1. Called the store, they INSISTED that it had been released weeks ago and would hit the phone soon. Checked Android forums and there's no release date. Best guess is that it may be released by the end of the month.

    Sub-par phone interface + the rest = possibly returning the phone before the 30 day return policy is up to get the rumored DInc HD that may or may not be coming out in 3 weeks.
  • bankerdude - Friday, January 28, 2011 - link

    Just purchased the Fascinate from Verizon this week (I know- I'm a late adopter. Had to wait for my contract to be up!) Anyhow, one of the first things the phone did after acticvation was download an OTA update and voila- the button lights now stay on as long as the screen. Really happy with the phone upgrade, coming from a Samsung Omnia running a cooked version of Winmo 6.1. Android is a great interface, even with 2.1!
  • 290008381 - Friday, January 4, 2013 - link

    Does the Samsung Galaxy S take a SIM card and if so where does it go?

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