Server Clash: DELL's Quad Opteron DELL R815 vs HP's DL380 G7 and SGI's Altix UV10
by Johan De Gelas on September 9, 2010 7:30 AM EST- Posted in
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SAP S&D
The SAP S&D (Sales and Distribution, 2-tier internet configuration) benchmark is an interesting benchmark as it is a real world client-server application. We decided to look at SAP's benchmark database. The results below were all run on Windows Server 2008 EE (R2) and the MS SQL Server 2008 database (both 64-bit). Every "2-tier Sales & Distribution" benchmark was performed with SAP's latest ERP 6 enhancement package 4. These results are not comparable with any benchmark performed before 2009.
The new "2009" version of the benchmark obtains scores that are 25% lower. We analyzed the SAP Benchmark in-depth in one of our previous server oriented article. In a nutshell, SAP S&D scales well, on the condition that the processors have large caches and fast inter-cache coherency traffic.
The quad socket champion of the SAP S&D is the IBM Power System 750 server, which scores 85220 SAPS (15600 users). In the X86 world, the 130W TDP 8-core Quad Xeons rule the roost with a 20% advantage over the nearest competitor.The 95W TDP 6-core, 12 thread versions are a lot less impressive: the quad E7540 at 2GHz have a healthy but still somewhat underwhelming 30% performance advantage over the much cheaper dual socket configurations.
That does not matter too much in this kind of market: SAP software is costly to license and is even more costly to deploy and adapt to your needs. The hardware budget is a fraction of the total project budget, and as such SAP buyers are willing to pay a premium for the RAS features and top performance. This is Xeon X7560 territory.
Nevertheless, the Quad Opteron offers very competitive performance with both the Quad Xeon and dual Xeon: it is 85% faster than dual Xeons and offers 83% of the best Quad Xeons system which uses CPUs with a higher power envelope (130W versus 115W).
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JohanAnandtech - Friday, September 10, 2010 - link
Thanks, appreciate you took the time to let us know. We went through 5 weeks of intensive testing and my eyes still hurt from looking at the countless excel sheets, with endless power and response time readings. ;-)FourthLiver - Thursday, September 9, 2010 - link
at the end of page 12, you allude to a performance per watt analysis. looks like you forgot to put it up. i'm chomping at the bit to see those numbers!please disregard me if i failed to rtfa correctly. Anandtech is the best; your (all of you collectively) articles are brilliant and correct down to the smallest details. This is another article that was an absolute joy to read. :]
JohanAnandtech - Thursday, September 9, 2010 - link
Well you can't really calculate it, as it depends on the situation. On low load loads, the system that consumes the less, is the winner, on the condition that the response times stay low. But of course, if your systems are running at low load all time, there might be something wrong: you should have bought more RAM and consolidated more VMs per system.At higher loads, the power consumption at high load divided by the throughput (vApusmark) is close to the truth. But it is definitely not the performance/watt number for everyone
It depends on your workloads. The more critical processing power (think response time SLA) is, the more the last mentioned calculation makes sense. The more we are talking about lots of lightly loaded VMs (like authentification servers, fileservers etc.), the more simply looking at the energy consumed at page 12 make sense.
mino - Thursday, September 9, 2010 - link
First, congratulations to a great article !Now to the small ammount of mess in there:
"the CPUs consume more than the ACP ratings that AMD mentions everywhere"
1) Avegare CPU Power (ACP) is NOT supposed/marketed to represent 100% load power use
Wikipedia: "The average CPU power (ACP), is a scheme to characterize power consumption of new central processing units under "average" daily usage..."
2) 122W at the wall and 110W at the CPU ??? Are you telling us the PSU's are 95% along with VRM/power/fans at 95% efficiency ? (0.95*0.95*1.22=1.10)
. Sorry to spoil the party but that is NOT the case. 122W at wall means 100W at CPU at the most realistically 95W.
Otherwise a great work. Keep is up!
JohanAnandtech - Friday, September 10, 2010 - link
"1) Avegare CPU Power (ACP) is NOT supposed/marketed to represent 100% load power useWikipedia: "The average CPU power (ACP), is a scheme to characterize power consumption of new central processing units under "average" daily usage...""
You are right. But what value does it have? As an admin I want to know what the maximum could be realistically (TDP is the absolute maximum for non-micro periods) and if you read between the lines that is more or less what AMD communicated (see their white paper). if it is purely "average", it has no meaning, because average power can be a quite a bit lower as some servers will run at 30% on average, others at 60%.
These PSU are supposed to be 92-94% efficient and AFAIK the VRMs are at least 90% efficient. So 122 x 0.92 x 0.90 = 101 W.
mino - Saturday, September 11, 2010 - link
Well, I was bit unslept when writing it but anyway. So got a bit harser than should have.In my experience the ACP values pretty well represent your average loaded server (<= 80% load). But that is not the point.
AMD created ACP in a response to the fact that their TDP numbers are conservative while Intel's are optimistic. That was the main cause wery well known to you as well.
Call me an ass but I certainly do not remember AT bitching about Intel TDPs no bein representative (during last 6 years at least).
And we all know too well that those NEVER represented the real power use of their boxen nor did they EVER represented what the "TDP" moniker stands for.
Currently the situation is as such that identical 2P AMD box with 80W ACP has ~ the same power requirements as 2P Intel box with 80W TDP. You have just proven that.
Therefore I believe it would be fair to stop bitching about AMD (or Intel) cheating in marketing (both do) and just say whether the numbers are comparable or not.
Arguing about spin wattage is not really needed.
JohanAnandtech - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
"Arguing about spin wattage is not really needed. "I have to disagree. The usual slogan is "don't look at TDP, look at measurements". What measurments? The totally unrealistic SPECpower numbers?
It is impossible for review sites to test all CPUs. So it is up to vendors to gives us a number that does not have to be accurate on a few percent, but that let us select CPUs quickly.
Customers should have one number that allows them to calculate worst case numbers which are realistic (heavily load webserver for example, not a thermal virus). So all CPU vendors should agree on a standard. That is not bitching, but is a real need of the sysadmins out there.
mino - Thursday, September 9, 2010 - link
One thing I would love to see is having the lowest end HP server put to its paces.So far it seems to us a the best option for vCenter hosting in small environments (with FT Vm's hosting vCenter).
Maybe even run 1-tile vAPUS (v1? perhaps) on it ?
m3rdpwr - Thursday, September 9, 2010 - link
I would have prepared to have had the DL385 G7 compared.They can be had with 8 and 12 core CPU's.
We have close to 200 HP servers of all models, rack and blades.
Many running vm in our Data Center.
-Mario
duploxxx - Friday, September 10, 2010 - link
same here, we moved also to 385g7 with the new 8-12core cpu's, Nice servers with huge core count since we never run more vCPU then pCPU in a system. Dell 815 looks like a good solution also, it was mentioned in the review the BL685 and DL585 are way more expensive.