Display Lag and Response Time

For gamers, display lag is a very real concern, and display processing is a nebulously reported (if at all) specification for just about all LCD displays. Ultimately, what matters isn’t GTG, full on, full off pixel response times, or what’s reported on the spec sheet, but the holistic latency of the monitor compared to something we can all agree is lag-free. We previously used a baseline LCD and compared with it as our benchmark of no display lag - we’ve since started using a 17” Princeton EO700 CRT. It supports 1024x768 at 85 Hz.

To do these tests, we connect the CRT up to a DVI to VGA adapter on our test computer’s ATI Radeon HD5870, and the LCD panel under test to DVI using an HDMI to DVI cable. I debated for some time the merits of using the same VGA signal, however, what really matters here is how the two display methods matter in the way that you, readers, are most likely to set things up. In addition, using the VGA input on any LCD is bound to add additional lag, as this is definitely a hardware scaler operation to go from analog to digital signaling, compared to the entirely digital DVI datapath. We run the CRT at 1024x768 and 85 Hz, its highest refresh rate, and clone the display to the LCD panel.

We use the same 3Dmark03 Wings of Fury benchmark on constant loop, take a bunch of photos with a fast camera (in this case, a Nikon D80 with a 17-50mm F/2.8) with wide open aperture for fast shutter speeds, in this case up to 1/800 of a second. Any differences on the demo clock will be our processing lag, and we’ll still get a good feel for how much pixel response lag there is on the LCD. As I mentioned earlier, the only downside is that this means our old data is no longer a valid reference.

To compute the processing lag, I do two things. First, I watch for differences in the clock between the CRT and LCD, noting these whenever they are visible. I did this for 10 captures of the same sequence. Second, one can compute the processing difference by taking into account the FPS and the frame number difference:

Of course, not every one of those frames is written to the display, but we can still glean how much time difference there is between these respective frames with much more precision than from averaging the time, which only reports down to 1/100ths of a second. An example shot of what this difference looks like on the X270W is the following:


CRT (left) vs. X270W (right) running Wings of Fury in 3Dmark 03

Processing Lag
Display Averaging Time Difference FPS Computation Time Difference
Dell G2410H 9.0 ms 8.59 ms
Sceptre X270W-1080P 9.0 ms 5.75 ms

There’s an interesting trend emerging already, and we’ve only got two data points. First off, it’s obvious by now from doing these tests that relying on the time counter at the bottom of the 3Dmark 03 window is relatively unreliable - you either get 10 ms of difference (.01 seconds), or no difference at all. It’s very binary since the processing lag we’re looking for is effectively below our sampling rate, and as a consequence it takes a lot of these points to get data (I averaged 15). On the other hand, it’s very easy to weight the frame difference by FPS and compute the time between, and that tells a different story with greater precision. From those metrics, it’s apparent that the X270W does have lower processing lag than the G2410H. The difference is slight, however, at 2.84 ms - way under what the human eye can perceive - but a difference nonetheless.

We still don’t get near the 2 ms response quoted by Sceptre, but being roughly 6 ms slower than the CRT is pretty darn good, so good that I honestly don’t think it’s humanly possible to tell the difference.


One ghost before, active frame, previous frame (3 total)

LCD performance still isn’t technically at parity with CRTs, but you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference. There’s still a visible ghosting image before and after the primary frame, visible in the photo above. This is something virtually all the LCDs we’ve tested exhibit, but in practice the ghosting isn’t discernable at all.

I consider myself an avid PC gamer and threw the X270W at FPS, RTS, and RPG titles alike and never noticed ghosting or any perceptible lag, ever. I think it’s more than fair to say that the X270W is a worthy choice for gamers that are generally very discerning about their input lag. By the numbers, the X270W is the best we’ve tested with our new methods thus far, but then again we’ve only got two data points.

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  • LouieIV - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    Why are monitors still coming out without displayport???
  • pjladyfox - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    You will probably want to look for a Sony GDM-FW900 CRT display. These can do DVI output via a BNC-to-DVI cable which I've personally used myself back when I had one:

    http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.pl?mdl...

    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1261195

    Failing that you will want to look for any CRT that has BNC connectors on it since, as you already noted, finding a CRT with a DVI-D connector is going to be next to impossible.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    As far as I know, if you use something like a DVI to BNC adapter, all you're doing is getting the DVI-A signal. In fact, I don't think anyone ever made a CRT that uses DVI-D for the signal. I'm not sure it matters, though, since ultimately the signal has to be analog on the CRTs. The problem is the GDM-FW900 is hard to find, and if you can find one they're used and cost $500+. (Not to mention they weigh a ton. LOL)
  • pjladyfox - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    That's true however the OP did not specify DVI-D over DVI-I. ^_^ But you are right that there never was a CRT made that had DVI-D output since that was when they were transitioning that tech over the LCD's. However, at least you have a starting point for finding a monitor locally 'tho while the FW900 is expensive it's pretty much the pinnacle of CRT displays.
  • Craig234 - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    I logged in, wrote a several paragraph review over 5 minues, and hit post and it lots the post with 'you need to login'.

    So a 1 paragraph summary:

    I bought it after XP21 $2300 and Sony XP900 CRT's for gaming/web, I like bright and colorful and no screendoor, and I like this monitor as a 'sweet spot' that looks very good with good value.
  • prof.yustas - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    I know a lot of people who really want to see HP ZR24W reviewed. Are you going to review it? It would be nice if you could compare HP ZR24W to DELL U2410.

    Thanks.
  • Brian Klug - Friday, May 21, 2010 - link

    Oops, I forgot to reply. The ZR24W is on its way, and I'm eager to test it out! ;)

    -Brian
  • Ninjahedge - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    I was a bit hopeful on this, but they all like to scale down the vertical resolution so it is really not much more desktop space.

    This is a gamer/vid screen, not a workspace.

    It is hard, ever since I picked up my existing old school 20" dells (1600x1200) and have them hooked side-by-side, getting a single to match the desktop space is almost impossible (the 30" at 2560x1600 would be GREAT!, but $1200???? I can get a full size TV or a "MidRange Gamers System" for that! ;) )

    It would be nice to start side stepping like I did with my last config (a 1600x1200 with a 17" in portrait mode rotated next to it) and put a wider monitor with the same vertical resolution and dot pitch next to it. Otherwise, I think I am just going to have to wait for teh Colossus Screens to come down below $1000!
  • erple2 - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    You do realize why the 30" screen costs so much more, right? Nearly double the actual pixel count is one of the reasons. Using a better (and more expensive) screen technology is another. Those 30" 1200+ dollar monitors will still look substantially better than any consumer grade TV you can buy (and pretty much anything you see at any retail store will be consumer grade). There's a reason why they cost that much.

    Curiously, bigger is NOT always better in the case of monitors. Something that so few people seem to understand...
  • juzz86 - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link

    I dunno mate, I have a HP LP3065 and it's the best I've ever seen! I do agree though, in the case of going bigger you definitely have to drop more money to see an improvement.

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