Lenovo ThinkPad T410: Built for Business
by Jarred Walton on March 26, 2010 4:00 AM ESTLCD Quality: Two Steps Forward…
...and two steps back. Wrapping up the performance and feature analysis for the T410, we have the LCD quality results. We definitely like the 1440x900 resolution and the matte surface, and we still scratch our heads and wonder why so many consumer laptops refuse to give customers a matte option—for the LCD or the chassis! The problem is that the contrast ratio on matte LCDs is slightly lower, and if you start with a low contrast LCD panel and then go with a matte surface, you end up with something like the panel in the T410.
The T410 unfortunately earns the dubious distinction of having the lowest contrast LCD panel that we've tested to date. One would think that with the higher price and quality construction, it would be easy for Lenovo to get a better panel into the mix. Then again, finding quality panels that don't cost an arm and a leg (i.e. the RGB LED backlit panels) appears to be difficult. Manufacturers are always seeking for ways to reduce BOM (Bill of Materials) costs, and with few laptops advertising contrast ratios it's an area where it's easy to cut corners. The LCD is still bright, but colors are definitely washed out compared to better LCDs.
Viewing angles on the T410 are about average for a TN panel—slightly better than some laptops that we've looked at, but nothing stellar. A straight-on view naturally provides the best result, but viewing from the side is also acceptable. For vertical angles, we found it slightly better to view from below rather than above if you've got the choice. Unfortunately, if you happen to be sitting on a cramped airline seat, you'll probably end up viewing the LCD from above, where things look very washed out.
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takumsawsherman - Thursday, April 1, 2010 - link
I don't know which Mac keyboards you've been typing on, but the current crop of keyboards are the easiest and most comfortable out there. I say this as the proud owner of many Model M keyboards, which are the standard in my shop, but are much too loud for modern offices.Also, the fact that you claim that a Core2Duo 2.5 is "1/3 slower" than an i5 2.5 shows that you have no actual business tasks in mind. What exact business functions are you performing that would allow the i5 that much of an advantage? Also, discrete graphics? for 1999, which is about what you stated for the Mac Pro (by upgrading to that 500GB HD that business users need, right?) you do get discrete graphics. The model you are really pointing to is the $1699 model, and what exactly does that business user need with discrete graphics? Oh yeah, 3D games.
Then you complain about Apple overcharging for upgrades. Well, Lenovo charges 80 to upgrade to the 500gb model, according to you. But you can buy a 500GB on the street for $75. Why doesn't Lenovo just charge the difference? Maybe because they are trying to make money? Honestly, the Macbook Pros I have put in, with VMWare and Windows installed for those who need it, aren't using even 30% of their disk space. And based on their typical tasks of emailing, creating spreadsheets, browsing the web, managing modest picture libraries, word processing, and accessing shared resources, they won't use more than 70% before the computer is retired. Meanwhile, they have VMWare snapshots (so long virus removals) and very few support calls.
So, I leave you to your very powerful laptop, which lacks the huge multitouch pad of the Macbook Pro, and of course is stuck running Windows 7, pig of an OS that it still is, and your games. Meanwhile, I can take care of more customers since I don't have to run around removing the latest Fakealert trojans (you know, like the ones that sneak through ad servers on the NY Times and Anandtech). Then, when I get home, I can play games on my desktop, which has discrete graphics and has a mouse and a Model M keyboard (no windows/option keys).
erple2 - Friday, March 26, 2010 - link
Is HP really a "cheap" laptop manufacturer, at least when you're comparing the business laptops? I can see that with several of their consumer level laptops (dvxx) which I don't like at all. I haven't used any of their "Envy" brand ones, however.My work leases the HP Elitebook 6930p's. I have to say that other than the low resolution screen (1280x800), I __really__ like it. It is exceptionally solid and stable, plus the keyboard is top-notch (quite a bit nicer to type on than my wife's 6 month old 15" "unibody" Macbook Pro).
I would disagree that you can't build the elegance of a 15in macbook pro for less than the cost - the Elitebook I have now surpasses it in most categories (the screen being the only notable exception).
JarredWalton - Friday, March 26, 2010 - link
Lenovo informed me that the T410s will indeed have switchable graphics but that it's not shipping until April. I specifically asked about that since the one page on their website advertises "switchable graphics" but the detailed pages show only the Intel HD Graphics. We'll see if that's correct or not in a week or two.OzzieGT - Friday, March 26, 2010 - link
I just bought one. I am a software engineer so I need the nice keyboard and high resolution screen. I am going to keep it for 3-4 years and I carry it around a lot, so I need the durability. 13" is too small and 15" is too big. For the $1000 I paid, I couldn't find anything else which met my needs.damianrobertjones - Friday, March 26, 2010 - link
The standard business user can barely open and sync email, let alone buy an overly expensive laptop, which can run windows without Vmware.If you owned a business and every penny counts, your suggestion is pure lunacy. I'm not meaning to offend, just seeing it from the point of view of an admin and s standard business user.
Penti - Saturday, March 27, 2010 - link
Standard business user get their laptops preconfigured from the company, I'm sure they can start vmware from a link. Self employed people might not buy a business-laptop at all though. Most aren't though.Elkvis - Saturday, March 27, 2010 - link
That is a ridiculous suggestion.Why would a sort of business buy Mac laptops just to run emulation to get business functionality.
Sure they are sexy, but no self respecting network administration team would think that is an acceptable solution.
Belard - Sunday, March 28, 2010 - link
Yep, you got that right.Spend $1500 for a notebook that equal to a $600~1000 PC notebook, strike one. Paying an IT guy to prep-it. Then if out on the road something wrong happens and the person doesn't know what to do...
Besides some of the performance loss. Most business people could care less about the shiny notebook with a glowing apple logo. Artist, student and more creative types - sure.
But a business user typically runs MS-Office, a browser and maybe a custom / specialized program. That's it. Why would he want spend the time and effort for a Mac + spend $100 for an XP license? What if he wants to run Windows7?
BTW, the ThinkPad T400s is very thin, under 1", 4lbs and with an optical drive. One of my clients bought it for his wife. She loves the look and size of the unit... and ThinkPads are one of the few notebooks that offer beefed up antennas that'll work in their mansion.
takumsawsherman - Thursday, April 1, 2010 - link
Actually, it makes a lot *more* sense. Easy deployment of images (VMWare images don't need to have the same hardware), snapshots to roll back to in case of infection or BSOD, and the fact that the Mac ends up with fewer support calls.The small amount of extra software required for those that *have to* run Windows is not that expensive. Most don't even require Windows, as the Mac version of Microsoft Office works fine for all those *intense* business tasks of editing and saving spreadsheets and reading/replying to email can, believe it or not, be accomplished on a Mac. The accounting departments usually use the PC version of Quickbooks, so that is one spot where Windows is needed, and then drafting professionals often use Autocad, but at around $k for the Autocad these cats aren't common. Most others get along just fine with the pre-loaded Mac software, and many don't even need to buy office with OpenOffice performing most tasks admirably.
Belard - Friday, March 26, 2010 - link
Lenovo customer support is very good. Their hardware is still very good. They cost less than an Apple and easily just as good if not better.Can run Hackintosh... :)