Intel's Warning on Memory Voltage

One of the most interesting changes for us with the release of the i7/X58 platform is the advances that have been made with DDR3. DDR3 had an auspicious introduction over a year and half ago when the P35 chipset debuted. Intel then introduced the X38 chipset with a focus on DDR3 support although DDR2 continued to perform better on the platform. It was not until the Intel X48 and NVIDIA 790i chipset releases earlier this year that users recognized DDR3 could become a performance factor on the desktop.

However, in order to glean the absolute best performance from these chipsets, the user needed DDR3 that was capable of running higher than DDR3-1800 speeds. The ICs from Micron at the time required a healthy 1.9V or higher to reach those speeds and the coveted 2000MHz mark. Samsung introduced a new family of ICs last spring that were capable of running up to 2200MHz or higher on +2.0V. While typical desktop applications or games did not take advantage of these speeds and resulting memory bandwidth, they did make for top results in the synthetic benchmarks.

Pricing was another problem that prevented the growth of DDR3 into the main stream market. Not only was DDR3 expensive, the market was flooded with DDR2 memory that performed equally well on the desktop at over half the price. As with most new technologies, it is a chicken and egg scenario when it comes to mass market product acceptance.

Intel had originally planned on X38/X48 being DDR3 only, but the market was not ready for it. We still feel that way to some degree but Intel believes this is the time for DDR3 to become their memory technology of choice for the next few years. As such, the introduction of i7/X58 brings with it a requirement for DDR3 memory. This requirement comes with a couple of caveats, the primary one being that Intel is highly recommending, more like suggesting a visit from the Grim Reaper is coming soon, that memory voltage does not exceed 1.65V on a long term basis or your new i7 might not work one day.

The majority of current DDR3-1066/1333 modules adhere to the base 1.5V JEDEC spec along with not needing more than 1.65V when overclocking, although overclocks amount to a couple hundred MHz increase at best with these products. The higher end DDR3 that has been on the market since last winter typically requires 1.8V or so to run above DDR3-1600. In fact, most of the current DDR3-1800+ memory usually requires 1.9V or higher. In some cases, depending on the SPD, it has difficulty even booting at 1.5V.

By coincidence or not, newer DDR3 ICs coming to market now from Qimonda, Samsung, and Elpida are able to operate from DDR3-1066 up to DDR3-1800 on 1.5V to 1.65V depending on timings and module size. In fact, we have experience with the new Samsung and Qimonda ICs (both 3GB and 6GB kits) operating at DDR3-1866 (9-9-8-20) up to DDR3-2000 (10-9-9-24) on 1.65V~1.75V with the ASUS Rampage II Extreme board. The good news is that these modules are starting to show up at the e-tailors with price points below previous DDR3 products.

This last week has been a busy one in the labs as we have started to receive a variety of memory modules from Kingston, OCZ, Patriot, GSkill, and Corsair for our upcoming DDR3 Shootout and Memory Guide for i7. The products range from the $109 3GB DDR3-1333 (9-9-9-24) kit from GSkill to the Corsair/OCZ 6GB DDR3-1600 (9-9-9-24) kits, and finally our DDR3-2000 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V kit from Kingston.

Our initial opinion at this time is that dual or tri-channel DDR3-1333 running at 8-8-8-20 timings will satisfy about 80% of the users in the market. In fact, DDR3-1066 at 7-7-7-18 might be the better solution for most applications right now considering the latency improvements over CAS8 or CAS9 DDR3-1333. Of course, running DDR3-1333 at CAS7 would be ideal from a price and performance viewpoint.

For the more performance oriented crowd, we have found the sweet spot for performance and keeping money in your wallet, to be tri-channel DDR3-1600 running at 8-8-8-20, something most of the new DDR3-1600 6GB kits will do easily on 1.6V or less. Of course, the benchmarking enthusiast will still want DDR3-1866 or higher on this platform. Something that is attainable now with voltages in the 1.65V~1.75V range depending on final speeds, board design, and loads as all three i7 processors are memory multiplier unlocked.

Getting back to that 1.65V warning, Intel is quite serious about this voltage level and is ensuring the board manufacturers remind the users in a variety of ways ranging from statements in the user manuals to various BIOS warnings when changing VDimm above 1.65V. We have been running exhaustive tests at various voltages and firmly believe that if VCore, QPI/IMC Voltage, and VDimm are properly aligned, that running VDimm up to 1.80V should be acceptable with proper cooling and non 24/7 operation. Of course that is not a promise, but we will have additional results shortly.

In the meantime, Intel also recommends not taking QPI/IMC (uncore/VTT) voltages above 1.3V. In fact, we think this setting is just as dangerous as or more so than high VDimm to the processor’s long term health. However, this setting is also one that greatly improves memory clocking and bclk levels along with a proper dose of IOH voltage. Just how far you can take QPI/IMC (VTT) voltage is something we are working on (1.475V is working well for us), just be aware that it is a delicate balance between this setting and VDimm to get the most out your memory. In most of our tests at this point on the 920, we usually bump QPI/IMC (VTT) voltage up to get additional memory/core clocks while maintaining the memory voltage around 1.65V.

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  • Spectator - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    that sht is totally logical.

    And Im proper impressed. I would do that.

    you can re-process your entire stock at whim to satisfy the current market. that sht deserves some praise, even more so when die shrinks happen. Its an apparently seemless transition. Unless world works it out and learns how to mod existing chips?

    Chukkle. but hey im drunk; and I dont care. I just thought that would be a logical step. Im still waiting for cheap SSD's :P

    Spectator.
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  • tential - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    We already knew nehalem wasn't going to be that much of a game changer. The blog posts you guys had up weeks ago said that because of the cache sizes and stuff not to expect huge gains in performance of games if any. However because of hyperthreading I think there also needs to be some tests to see how multi tasking goes. No doubt those gains will be huge. Virus scanning while playing games and other things should have extremely nice benefits you would think. Those tests would be most interesting although when I buy my PC nehalem will be mainstream. Reply
  • npp - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    I'm very curious to see some scientific results from the new CPUs, MATLAB and Mathematica benchmarks, and maybe some more. It's interesting to see if Core i7 can deliver something on these fronts, too. Reply
  • pervisanathema - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    I was afraid Nehalem was going to be a game changer. My wallet is grateful that its overall performance gains do not even come close to justifying dumping my entire platform. My x3350 @ 3.6GHz will be just fine for quite some time yet. :)

    Additionally, its relatively high price means that AMD can still be competitive in the budget to low mid range market which is good for my wallet as well. Intel needs competition.
    Reply
  • iwodo - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    Since there are virtually no performance lost when using Dual Channel. Hopefully we will see some high performance DDR3 with low Latency next year?
    And which means apart from having half the core, Desktop version doesn't look so bad.

    And since you state the Socket 1366 will be able to sit a Eight Core inside, i expect the 11xx socket will be able to suit a Quad Core as well?

    So why we dont just have 13xx Socket to fit it all? Is the cost really that high?
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  • QChronoD - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    How long are they going to utilize this new socket??
    $284 for the i7-920 isn't bad, but will it be worth the extra to buy a top end board that will appreciate a CPU upgrade 1-2 years later? Or is this going to be useless once Intel Ticks in '10?
    Reply
  • steveyballme - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    We worked side by side with Intel to be sure that Vista was optimised for running on this thing!

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
    Reply
  • Strid - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    Great article. I enjoyed reading it. One thing I stumbled upon though.

    "The PS/2 keyboard port is a nod to the overclocking crowd as is the clear CMOS switch."

    What makes a PS/2 port good for overclockers? I see the use for the clear CMOS switch, but ...
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  • 3DoubleD - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    In my experience USB keyboards do not consistently allow input during the POST screen. If you are overclocking and want to enter the BIOS or cancel an overclock you need a keyboard that works immediately once the POST screen appears. I've been caught with only a USB keyboard and I got stuck with a bad overclock and had to reset the CMOS to gain control back because I couldn't cancel the overclock. Reply
  • Clauzii - Monday, November 3, 2008 - link

    I thought the "USB Legacy support" mode was for exactly that? So legacy mode is for when the PC are booted in DOS, but not during pre? Reply

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