Conclusion

When it comes to floating-point performance, we feel we can say we have a very good picture of what AMD's and Intel's best are capable off. The Barcelona floating-point architecture is able to beat the 53xx in quite a few benchmarks, but the Xeon 5472 shows that AMD's third generation Opteron is late to the party. Our FLOPS, LINPACK, and rendering benchmarks show that the Xeon 5472 is at least as good as or better than AMD's latest in raw FP performance on a clock-for-clock basis.

We have less data on "pure" integer performance, with the exception of our Fritz Chess benchmark. This benchmark gave us a first hint that the improvement in integer performance from the Opteron 22xx to the Opteron 23xx is probably rather small. The single-threaded SpecInt2006 numbers published by IBM are probably not optimal, but also confirm this:

This indicates that the Opteron 23xx is about 10% faster in integer tasks than the 22xx series. Considering that the best SPECint_rate2006 score of AMD's quad-core at 2.5GHz is 102 while Intel's 5460 (3.16GHz) is already at 138, we think it is safe to assume that the integer performance of AMD's Barcelona is still not up to Intel Core levels. The Xeon 5365 at 3GHz is also able to deliver a significantly higher score (117). This, together with our own benchmark data, makes us believe that the Xeon 54xx based on the Penryn architecture will beat the best AMD chips on every aspect of raw processing performance: integer, legacy x87 FP, and SIMD (SSE). It is clear now why Intel's CPUs are so dominant in desktop and workstation workloads.

Add to this a significant clock advantage: there is already a 3.2GHz Xeon 5485 (150W). If you prefer a less power hungry CPU, Intel can provide a 3GHz 5472 that is still clocked 20% higher than what AMD will be able to deliver 2 to 3 months later. Although the 3GHz models are quite pricey (>$1000), you can already find a 2.5GHz quad-core Xeon for $316. That's the same price as a 1.9GHz Opteron 2347 chip. There is little doubt in our mind that a 2.5GHz Xeon is faster in almost every application we can think off, so Intel's newest Xeon does have the price/performance crown as well.

While AMD loses quite a few battles, the war is far from lost. The server/HPC situation is entirely different from the desktop scene where the Core 2 Quad overpowers the Phenom in almost every benchmark. There is more to server and HPC performance than simple raw processing power. Intel's flagship still has an Achilles heel: the platform it is running on has higher latency and much lower bandwidth than AMD's platform. Once you really stress all those cores with many threads, AMD's platform starts to pay off.

Look at the summary of our benchmarking below. (Blue numbers mean Intel is faster; green show a victory for the AMD chip).

AMD vs. Intel Performance Summary
General applications Opteron 2360SE vs.
Xeon E5365
Opteron 2360SE vs.
Xeon 5472
WinRAR 3.62 23% faster 6% faster
Fritz Chess engine 24% slower 26% slower
HPC applications
LINPACK 4% slower* 9% slower*
3D Applications
3DS Max 9 19% slower 25 % slower
zVisuel 3D Kribi Engine 7% faster 14% slower
zVisuel 3D Kribi Engine (AA) 2% slower 23% slower
Server applications
SPECjbb (Sun) 28% faster 11% faster
SPECjbb (BEA) 12% faster 12% slower
MySQL 14% faster Equal

* Faster LINPACK binaries from Intel were available at the time that we finished this article.

To put it in car terms, our SPECjbb, LINPACK, and MySQL benchmarks have shown that Intel's "powerful CPU engines" sometimes have problems putting the "massive torque" to the "wheels". You may feel for example that using four instances in our SPECjbb test favors AMD too much, but there is no denying that using more virtual machines on fewer physical servers is what is happening in the real world. Intel's best have a solid lead over AMD's quad-core in rendering benchmarks, but some HPC, Java and MySQL benchmarks show that the 2.5GHz Barcelona is able to keep up with (or come close to) a 3GHz Xeon 5472. That is impressive, on the condition that we finally see some higher clocked Opteron 23xx chips in commercially available servers.

We still cannot draw any solid conclusion on the server performance of AMD's quad-core as no MS Exchange, SAP ERP, TPC-C, or TPC-H results have been published. In fact, with the exception of the SPECjbb and MySQL numbers in this article, all server benchmarks on AMD's third generation Opteron are MIA. This situation will probably continue for a few more months as most of these benchmark results traditionally come from OEMs and not AMD.

Fritz Chess and HPC
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  • tshen83 - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    Seriously, can you buy the 2360SE? Newegg doesn't even stock the 1.7Ghz 2344HEs.

    The same situation exist on the Phenom line of CPUs. I don't see the value of reviewing Phenom 9700, 9900s when AMD cannot deliver them. I am trouble locating Phenom 9500s.
  • alantay - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    The MySQL scalability problem is not so much in MySQL as in the Linux kernel and Glibc used.

    To have it scale correctly to 8 CPUs you need kernel 2.6.22.x (alternatively you could try with a 2.6.24-RC -should be a bit faster-, but not with 2.6.23.x) and Glibc 2.6 or higher.

    A default Ubuntu 7.10 for example should scale well with MySQL (OpenSUSE 10.3 *might* work, but they have backported the 2.6.23 scheduler which has a scalability problem).

    Thanks for the article!
  • JohanAnandtech - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    Excellent feedback.

    It is a bit frustrating that once again you need some ultra new kernel and libraries to get good scalability. THat is unrealistic for people who use SLES and who rely on their support contract to get updates.
  • MGSsancho - Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - link

    how about opensolaris? i dont know how much different it is from solaris 10, but it should be able to scale to dozens of cores nicely. I was about to ask about oracle and DB2 benchmarks but you answered that in your article; expensive, and the oems usually publish that info.

    anyways awesome article
  • Roy2001 - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    I cannot find a SINGLE one, nowhere.
  • drebo - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    Newegg has the Phenom 9500 in stock. At least, they did yesterday. I've also got a vendor I use that has them in stock.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    But Phenom isn't Opteron 23xx. Different socket, different market, and it has L3. (Does Phenom X4 have an L3 cache? Maybe I should go check....)
  • drebo - Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - link

    Yes, Phenom 9500 has an L3. But if you look at his question (in the subject line), he is asking about barcelona as a whole and phenom specifically. The answer is Yes, they are available.
  • Slaimus - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    They may be gobbled by up Cray for that Budapest supercomputer.
  • Regs - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - link

    I would not expect any from vendors and wholesalers until early next year.

    Matter of fact I wouldn't want one until then anyhow. I would at least wait until B3 stepping.

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