Khadas Mind Premium Review: Raptor Lake-P in a Modular Portable Workstation
by Ganesh T S on September 14, 2023 8:00 AM EST- Posted in
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- Intel
- Mini-PC
- Raptor Lake-P
- Khadas
GPU Performance: Synthetic Benchmarks
Intel did not make significant changes in the integrated GPU when moving from Alder Lake to Raptor Lake. Process maturity has allowed it to clock the iGPU a bit higher, but the number of EUs remains the same as in the previous generation. GPU performance evaluation typically involved gaming workloads, and for select PCs, GPU compute. Prior to that, we wanted to take a look at the capabilities of the iGPU in the Core i7-1360P.
We have seen earlier that the performance of the Intel Iris Xe Graphics is miles ahead of previous iGPUs from both Intel and AMD. The benchmarks processed on the Mind Premium systems back up that aspect.
GFXBench
The DirectX 12-based GFXBench tests from Kishonti are cross-platform, and available all the way down to smartphones. As such, they are not very taxing for discrete GPUs and modern integrated GPUs. We processed the offscreen versions of the 'Aztec Ruins' benchmark.
Surprisingly, the Mind Premium configurations make it to the top half of the pack. A combination of driver improvements (compared to the version used in the review of the Arena Canyon NUC) and faster RAM probably contribute to this situation.
UL 3DMark
Four different workload sets were processed in 3DMark - Fire Strike, Time Spy, Night Raid, and Wild Life.
3DMark Fire Strike
The Fire Strike benchmark has three workloads. The base version is meant for high-performance gaming PCs. It uses DirectX 11 (feature level 11) to render frames at 1920 x 1080. The Extreme version targets 1440p gaming requirements, while the Ultra version targets 4K gaming system, and renders at 3840 x 2160. The graph below presents the overall score for the Fire Strike Extreme and Fire Strike Ultra benchmark across all the systems that are being compared.
| UL 3DMark - Fire Strike Workloads | |||
The Mind Premium makes it to the top half in these workloads, with the better iGPU in the newer Ryzen systems outperforming it. The higher power budget for the ASRock Industrial NUC BOX-1360P/D5 (40W vs 28W) gives it a slight edge among the Raptor Lake-P systems. The Arena Canyon NUC is probably held back by a combination of driver maturity and slower DDR4 RAM.
3DMark Time Spy
The Time Spy workload has two levels with different complexities. Both use DirectX 12 (feature level 11). However, the plain version targets high-performance gaming PCs with a 2560 x 1440 render resolution, while the Extreme version renders at 3840 x 2160 resolution. The graphs below present both numbers for all the systems that are being compared in this review.
| UL 3DMark - Time Spy Workloads | |||
The observations made for the 3DMark Fire Strike workloads holds true for 3DMark Time Spy as well, with the Khadas Mind outperforming the Arena Canyon NUC, and being significantly behind only the RDNA2 / RDNA3 iGPU-based Ryzen systems.
3DMark Wild Life
The Wild Life workload was initially introduced as a cross-platform GPU benchmark in 2020. It renders at a 2560 x 1440 resolution using Vulkan 1.1 APIs on Windows. It is a relatively short-running test, reflective of mobile GPU usage. In mid-2021, UL released the Wild Life Extreme workload that was a more demanding version that renders at 3840 x 2160 and runs for a much longer duration reflective of typical desktop gaming usage.
| UL 3DMark - Wild Life Workloads | |||
This workload is no different as well, as the Arena Canyon NUC again falls behind the Khadas Mind systems despite the higher power budget. The new Ryzen systems outperform the Khadas Mind handily, though.
3DMark Night Raid
The Night Raid workload is a DirectX 12 benchmark test. It is less demanding than Time Spy, and is optimized for integrated graphics. The graph below presents the overall score in this workload for different system configurations.
The faster RAM doesn't help the Khadas Mind in this workload, as the Arena Canyon NUC with its higher power budget manages to sneak past it in the Night Raid benchmark. The relative order remains the same for the other systems.
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peterfares - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
This is really cool, but who is this for?abufrejoval - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
I’d say it’s mostly for commuters, who’ll oscillate between two or more workplaces with high frequency and regularity, but don’t want to carry more than the “soul” of the computer with them.When I do that, I tend to make that a VM I keep on a high-speed USB stick and I then suspend the VM when I commute. Get’s the job done with a bit of overhead but in a smaller form factor but it means having a physical computer at every workplace and other compromises.
Having a full-sized GPU dock on every location might be somewhat difficult in terms of budget, but a power primary and somewhat after-hours secondary, might be enough to satisfy a large part of the user base.
Being able to just pick up the running machine right in the middle of something and then try catching a train or plane running might seem attractive, but Windows tends to glitch in far too many ways to make that realistic.
I’ve had far too many Windows laptops being woken up from some powersave or even hibernation slumber in the middle of a flight, ostensibly for scheduled maintenance, only to then have them cook themselves and their battery to death for lack of cooling in the onboard luggage: I guess I should be glad they didn’t go as far as combusting, but generally I wound up without a working machine on the busy end of the trip…
If you own a tiny home, operate in a boat, trailer or some other space constrained place this could be cool, but with an eye on longevity I’d not risk anything that wasn’t standards based and if TB isn’t enough, including dGPU, it’s really just tough luck.
BTW, I do believe they offer TB and not just USB4, they just don’t have the certification done, because they do mention eGPU on their website.
Pre-configured only: 32GB is certainly better than 16, even if I’d go for 64, especially at current prices for DRAM. The M.2 slots are only 30mm length so there wasn’t that much variety in terms of updates anyway, but that is currently changing because of these Steam console class devices. I guess the reason they won’t let you open the device is mostly to cut down on customer service issues, because there is just too many people out there who overestimate their technical skills and dexterity.
I guess mostly it just inspired me into looking using a NUC for this commute style use case instead. They aren’t really that much bigger than this, especially if you don’t carry a power brick. Having to make sure they are properly hibernated, isn’t that much of an issue and they are far more economical.
brucethemoose - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
> 64-48-48-112 @ 5200Whoa, is this a typo?
The timings seem awfully loose, like waay above default JEDEC.
meacupla - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
I can't even find what JEDEC specifies for LPDDR5Timings for LPDDR have always been looser than their regular counterparts.
They clock higher at lower voltages, and the timings are loose as a result.
Kamen Rider Blade - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
So, instead of creating a "Proprietary Standard"?Why don't they use the existing PC/104 stacking Board standard that has been around for decades?
meacupla - Saturday, September 16, 2023 - link
PC/104 is meant for internal only. It has exposed and unsupported pins, which makes it easy to bend the pins. It's fragile.This slot connector is a more robust design.
Having said that, oculink and TB4 are plenty robust and have an existing market.
Kamen Rider Blade - Saturday, September 16, 2023 - link
You do know that PC/104 has updated to PCIe/104 and uses PCIe connectors that are plenty strong. Version 3 of the spec has been ratified since Feb 17, 2015.Also it would be pretty easy for them to figure out how to create a base board to stack modules onto given the modular nature.
They could've used a EPIC or EBC MoBo base board and stack modules on top.
meacupla - Saturday, September 16, 2023 - link
not my fault you named the wrong specsjkpublic@gmail.com - Sunday, September 17, 2023 - link
One main difference between this and other NUC's is the LPDDR5. This could have been a show stopper if they broke the 64GB barrier. Would consider a 128GB LPDDR5 memory version. Otherwise not much to see here.xol - Wednesday, September 20, 2023 - link
Polite reminder that "industrial design" means designing a product to be mass produced, not edgelord brushed titanium designed to convinced suckers a product is worth twice its equivalent value