More I/O For AM5: PCIe 5, Additional PCIe Lanes, & More Displays

AMD’s other big expenditure using socket AM5’s additional pins is on I/O support. While AM4 already supported a fair bit of I/O, including 24 PCIe lanes, 3 displays, and 4 Superspeed USB ports, there was still room for improvement. So for AM5, AMD has increased the amount of I/O and the flexibility offered with the platform.

The biggest change here is that the AM5 socket now provides for 28 lanes of PCIe, a net gain of 4 lanes. More significantly still, PCIe 5.0 is now supported (at least on the Ryzen 7000 “Raphael” processors), doubling the bandwidth of all of those PCIe lanes to a max of 4GB/sec/lane. Which gives the chip a maximum cumulative PCIe bandwidth of 112GB/sec in each direction.

In practice, those additional lanes are intended for NVMe drives, giving AM5 a second x4 connection to drive a second NVMe drive; though we have seen some motherboard designs where vendors are stealing the second x4 for a PCIe 5.0 x4 slot. Past that, things look a lot like AM4, with 16 PCIe lanes to directly drive one or more PCIe slots, and then 4 lanes for hooking up the chipset.

Meanwhile, the updated socket also offers enough pins for the CPU to drive 4 Superspeed USB 3.x ports, and a USB 2 port. The USB 2 port is new for this generation, and meanwhile 3 of those USB 3 ports now also support the USB Type-C connector, unlike AM4 which could only natively drive Type-A ports. As a result, AM5 CPUs can drive a total of 3 Superspeed Type-C ports, a fourth Superspeed Type-A port, and then the aforementioned USB 2 port.

There has been one regression, however, and that is SATA support. Whereas AM4 CPUs could drive a mix of NVMe and SATA drives (up to 2 SATA + a PCIe x2 for NVMe), AM5 is purely PCIe. So there is no native SATA support on the CPU, and supplying that will come from the chipset.

To visualize this, we’ll use part of the AM5 chipset diagram. We’ll go more into the specifics of the chipsets in a bit, but lays out what is wired to the CPU, and what will need to be wired to the chipset. Of note there, the current chipsets only use PCIe 4.0 connectivity to the Ryzen CPU, so the current generation of chipsets will not be making full use of the bandwidth capabilities of the CPU itself.

Which with the addition of PCIe 5.0 support to the platform, is going to be a recurring theme. While AMD has baked in 5.0 support into the Raphael CPUs, it’s up to motherboard vendors to actually make it so. Compared to PCIe 4.0, 5.0 has much tighter signal integrity requirements (the signaling frequency has been doubled), which at least at this time, makes PCIe 5.0 expensive to implement. A very well-designed motherboard is required with impeccable traces, and on top of that the overall short throw of PCIe 5.0 means that retimers/redrivers become necessary rather quickly. So while AM5 can support PCIe 5.0 throughout, the reality is that we’re still going to see a lot of PCIe 4.0 in use even in higher-end motherboards.

As for the necessity of PCIe 5.0 overall, thus far AMD is primarily focused on what it means for NVMe drive speeds. The first generation of PCIe 5.0-enabled consumer SSDs are expected to land a bit later this year, and they should be able to hit sequential burst transfer rates above the limits of PCIe 4.0 (~7GB/sec).

Past that, NVIDIA’s newly announced Ada Lovelace architecture GeForce RTX 40 series video cards do not support PCIe 5.0. So while we’re awaiting AMD to announce their RDNA 3-based product lineup later this year, regardless of what AMD does, the bulk of video cards sold next year are not going to use PCIe 5.0. So there is a bit less pressure on motherboard manufactures (and motherboard buyers) to get boards that support PCIe 5.0 to anything beyond a couple of M.2 slots.

Finally, in conjunction with the USB I/O changes, AM5 also introduces some display I/O changes. Whereas AM4 could directly drive up to 3 displays, AM5 brings this to 4. Specifically, AM5 offers one dedicated display output (which will generally be allocated to HDMI), while the other 3 display outputs are available over those 3 USB Type-C ports as DisplayPort alt mode. It’ll be up to motherboard manufacturers if they want to expose any of these USB-C root ports as physical USB-C ports or as DisplayPorts, but so far from the motherboard designs we’ve seen, the former is more common (though certainly not universal).

Anticipating a shift to more USB Type-C displays, AMD is also implementing what they call “hybrid graphics” support on AM5. Unlike previous products where this referred to linking up the integrated graphics with a discrete GPU in CrossFire mode, this time around it refers to being able to being able to use the mobo/iGPU’s display outputs to drive a monitor while using a dGPU to render content. This is largely lifted from AMD’s laptop technologies, where similar techniques are used to allow the dGPU to be powered down when it’s not in use. In the case of desktop processors, this just means every display output will work, regardless of whether it’s plugged into ports coming from the CPU or a discrete video card.

It’s also worth noting that AM5 is bringing a few other, more minor updates to other comms protocols. Among these is support for MIPI’s (relatively) new I3C chip-to-chip signaling standard, which will ultimately be supplanting the long-used I2C standard. As well, AM5 doubles the number of I2C/I3C ports available, bringing the total to 4 ports. The platform also adds a second (enhanced) Serial Peripheral Interface (eSPI/SPI) port, and on the audio front, adds support for the Digital Mic and MIPI’s Soundwire standard for low-cost audio peripherals.

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  • vortmax2 - Sunday, October 16, 2022 - link

    Some people don't want to limit TDP themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Reply
  • Techie2 - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    What a screwed up launch of Ryzen 7000 CPUs and AM5 mobos by e-tailers. DDR5 EXPO DRAM showed up online a few days ago. On 9-27-22 it looks like e-tailers are actually hiding the four Ryzen 7000 CPUs to sell older stock. The AM5 mobos which have been sitting in inventory for weeks were not posted online until early morning instead of at midnight as in the past. You'd think by now they could figure out how to do a proper launch of a new CPU or platform but evidently not when it's AMD.

    No consumer grade Gen 5 SSDs listed by e-tailers that I could find. Are PC builders suppose to just wait until Nov. to see if they actually show up? AMD's partners may be cooperating with AMD but the purchasing experience is a piss poor sales methodology being employed IMNHO.

    YMMV
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  • nandnandnand - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    AMD said weeks ago that PCIe 5.0 SSDs would be coming in November.

    Nobody should be buying this stuff on day 1 unless they like being findom'd by corporations.
    Reply
  • yhselp - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    First-draft-copy issues aside, this article is written exceptionally well. The information is excellent and extensive as usual, but I feel like there's been a step-up in the way its presented/explained. Kudos and thank you. Reply
  • yhselp - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    it's* goddamit Reply
  • vortmax2 - Sunday, October 16, 2022 - link

    Great post. So many grammar police on here that can't help but criticize and take away from the actual purpose of the article. Reply
  • HardwareDufus - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    Clearly both manufacturers are producing vey compelling products this time around. At the $600-$700 mark we have two CPUs trading blows; R9-7950X (Zen4) & just announced i9-13900K (RaptorLake) We will have updates of both lines, with AMD adding 3D Cache and Intel increasing Boost Speeds. Probably can't go wrong with either choice, neither one dominates the other completely.

    I think I'll bite this time around. Yeah I know Zen5 will be a new architecture and Intel will adopt chiplets and all of the benefits that accompany them... But, I think either one of these chips, probably available in volume in 1st quarter 2023, will serve most folks well.

    In the case of Intel, you can continue to use DD4 and 600 series chipsets. However really take advantage of the capabilities of the chip, DDR5 and motherboards featureing 700 series chipsets will be available, on par with Zen 4 requiring a DDR5 and otherboards featuring the new AM5 socket and 600 series chipsets. Apples to Apples when comparing the requirements to go ALL In on performance.
    Reply
  • HardwareDufus - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    Dang, that was some awesome typing I just did there... Reply
  • nandnandnand - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    3D cache will dominate over a couple hundred extra MHz in frequency (13900KS). Reply
  • Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    @nandnandnand: That may well be true, but that's the future and months out yet. Ryzen 7000 non X3D has to sell between then and now or AMD is not going to be posting a pretty quarter. The 13900K is far cheaper in platform and unit price and will meet or exceed the 7950X for now. DDR5 and AM5 motherboards coupled with a higher price will be Ryzen 7000 series undoing, and good too. AMD needs to realize people purchase because of intrinsic quality, not brand loyalty. Reply

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