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AMD Desktop Athlon 64 Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Athlon FX-59 San Diego 3.0 GHz 1MB Socket 939 Q1'06
Athlon FX-57 San Diego 2.8 GHz 1MB Socket 939 Now
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ Windsor? 2.6 GHz? Socket M2 Q2'06
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ Toledo? 2.6 GHz? Socket 939 Q1'06
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Windsor 2.4 GHz 1MB? Socket M2 Q2'06
Athlon 64 4000+ Orleans 2.4 GHz 1MB? Socket M2 Q2'06
Athlon 64 3800+ Orleans 2.4 GHz 512K? Socket M2 Q2'06
Athlon 64 3500+ Orleans 2.2 GHz 512K? Socket M2 Q2'06

Besides the single core M2 processors, we also have the dual core parts, codenamed Windsor. We have a 4800+ part for socket M2, as well as parts greater than or equal to 5000+ for both socket 939 and M2. As with the single core variants, we see two likely possibilities. The first is that the M2 parts will directly match the 939 parts in features, making the 4800+ a 2.4 GHz 1MB per core design. On the other hand, improvements in the performance of the platform through the use of DDR2 may allow AMD to use a 2.4 GHz 512K part for the 4800+. Part of the attractiveness of such a change is that the 2x512K parts would have a smaller die size, decreasing the manufacturing costs. Time will tell what AMD's precise plans are, and at present all we have are model names with which to speculate.

The last addition to the performance desktop market is a new FX model, the FX-59. While in the past we have speculated that AMD would switch the FX to a dual core design, the roadmap instead indicates that the FX-59 is intended to use a San Diego core running at 3.0 GHz. Other details in the roadmap show that AMD intends for the FX line to offer top single core performance. AMD market the FX line as being "ideal for 3D games and single-threaded applications." The X2 line on the other hand is "designed for sophisticated power users who run multiple processor intensive applications simultaneously," and is "ideal for digital content creation as well as for listening and viewing entertainment." It seems pretty clear from such statements that the FX line will remain single core for a while longer.

M2 isn't just a switch to DDR2 memory support, though. Besides DDR2, AMD indicates that the Orleans and Windsor processors will also have "Security and Virtualization" features. Previously codenamed Pacifica, the virtualization technology adds hardware support that allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously. It was possible to do this in the past with such tools as VMware, but hardware support should dramatically improve performance. The security technology mentioned is likely to be very similar to Intel's LaGrande Technology and was code named Presidio. Whether or not you'll need a tin foil hat to operate your computer is yet undecided.

You'll notice that socket 754 is no longer even represented in the desktop arena. There are a couple parts that will work on socket 754 motherboards, but they are no longer marketed as mainstream or performance desktop processors. That brings us to the desktop Sempron processors.

AMD Desktop Sempron Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Sempron 3700+ Palermo Ex 2.2 GHz 256K Socket 939 Q2'06
Sempron 3700+ Palermo Ex 2.2 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q2'06
Sempron 3600+ Palermo Ex 2.2 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q1'06
Sempron 3500+ Palermo Ex 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 939 Q1'06
Sempron 3400+ Palermo Ex 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3400+ Palermo Ex 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 939 Q3'05
Sempron 3300+ Palermo Ex 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3200+ Palermo D0/Ex 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 939 Now?
Sempron 3100+ Palermo Ex 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Palermo D0/Ex 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 939 Now?
Sempron 3000+ Palermo Ex 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2800+ Palermo Ex 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2600+ Palermo Ex 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05

There are quite a few upcoming parts in the value desktop computing sector. Launching very soon will be the Ex stepping of the Palermo core, which will add - or rather enable - 64-bit extensions on all the Sempron parts. All of the presently available Sempron parts are for socket 754 (and even a few older socket A models that are being phased out), but we also have Sempron parts targeting socket 939 that should be launching any time now. Information contained within the roadmap actually seems to indicate that 3000+ and 3200+ Sempron parts have already started shipping for socket 939, though we haven't seen any. It could be that they are going straight to OEMs, as the same parts show up as DTR (Desktop Replacement) notebook processors.

Looking forward to 2006, we still have a few more speed bumps to the Sempron line on both sockets with the 3500+, 3600+, and 3700+ parts. Somewhat interesting to note is that the Sempron 3700+ will apparently be a 2.2 GHz 256K cache part on both sockets - normally AMD has rated the equivalent clock speend and cache socket 939 parts slightly higher than socket 754 parts due to the dual-channel memory support of 939.

Besides the above value processors, we also have some information on the upcoming M2 value processor. Code named Manila, the processor won't support the virtualization and security features that other M2 processors have. That isn't too surprising, as frankly we expect virtualization technologies to be far more useful for the performance sector. However, it will support dual channel DDR2; typically we don't see dual channel support on value processors, so that's a welcome change.

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  • Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link

    Use the REPLY button.
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, August 6, 2005 - link

    The new threaded view for comments came into effect after this was posted. Look at the date of the post. Older articles are going to have odd looking comments, but that's the price of progress.
  • tygrus - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    DD3 (2007/8) can use the same FB-DIMM interface as DD2 FB-DIMM's. That may be OK for servers but the first desktops with DDR2 not use the FB-DIMM interface. FB-DIMM interface still has a few performance limiations per channel. Eletrical and frequency may change in future versions for DDR3.

    AMD really need a move on if they don't wont to be steam-rolled by Intel. Intel are not going to sit idly by and leave AMD with a performance lead. It's too slow to wait for AMD to make the changes and wait for new technology. Waiting for mid-2006 for DDR2 is too slow when slower DDR2 is hitting price prity with DDR. By Q1-2006, DDR1 will be more expensive than todays prices and faster DDR2 wil be cheaper than DDR1, Intel will have faster/cooler 65nm CPU's and AMD will still have a very slow trickly of faster CPU's until their 65nm. It's only been about 400MHz increase per year for the last 2.5 years. I want 200MHz+ every quarter.
  • johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    Also, let's not forget that town from the Jackass bit:

    Mianus

    (pronounced 'My Anus'... don't recall what state it's in)
  • johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    There's a small town in Minnesota that would make a perfect name for AMD's next CPU:

    Nimrod
  • yacoub - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    Man, what's gonna happen when they run out of cool city/town names?? :(
  • lsman - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    #11 DDR3 in 2007 = another socket.
  • Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link

    Oh boy, just Reply to the post you're refering to instead of using the old numbers, that dont even exist anymore. Get over it, this is how comments will be from now on.
  • PrinceGaz - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    #12- thanks for that, they've got the new lower-clocked X2 listed :)

    Athlon 64 X2 3800+ - 2.0 GHz, Manchester (2x512K L2), due Aug 2005.

    Unfortunately there isn't a Toledo 2.0 GHz part (which would be the X2 4000+), but that makes sense as they don't want to sell an expensive to manufacture part at a low price.

    The X2 3800+ isn't for me as I want the larger cache, so I'm not going to delay going for a X2 4400+ now (I was going to wait and see what the new part was). Thanks again for the link :)
  • coomar - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    hasn't a lot of this information been known for a while

    the roadmap for a64's:
    http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

    has had this for the last 4-6 months

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