Fundamental Windows 10 Issues: Priority and Focus

In a normal scenario the expected running of software on a computer is that all cores are equal, such that any thread can go anywhere and expect the same performance. As we’ve already discussed, the new Alder Lake design of performance cores and efficiency cores means that not everything is equal, and the system has to know where to put what workload for maximum effect.

To this end, Intel created Thread Director, which acts as the ultimate information depot for what is happening on the CPU. It knows what threads are where, what each of the cores can do, how compute heavy or memory heavy each thread is, and where all the thermal hot spots and voltages mix in. With that information, it sends data to the operating system about how the threads are operating, with suggestions of actions to perform, or which threads can be promoted/demoted in the event of something new coming in. The operating system scheduler is then the ring master, combining the Thread Director information with the information it has about the user – what software is in the foreground, what threads are tagged as low priority, and then it’s the operating system that actually orchestrates the whole process.

Intel has said that Windows 11 does all of this. The only thing Windows 10 doesn’t have is insight into the efficiency of the cores on the CPU. It assumes the efficiency is equal, but the performance differs – so instead of ‘performance vs efficiency’ cores, Windows 10 sees it more as ‘high performance vs low performance’. Intel says the net result of this will be seen only in run-to-run variation: there’s more of a chance of a thread spending some time on the low performance cores before being moved to high performance, and so anyone benchmarking multiple runs will see more variation on Windows 10 than Windows 11. But ultimately, the peak performance should be identical.

However, there are a couple of flaws.

At Intel’s Innovation event last week, we learned that the operating system will de-emphasise any workload that is not in user focus. For an office workload, or a mobile workload, this makes sense – if you’re in Excel, for example, you want Excel to be on the performance cores and those 60 chrome tabs you have open are all considered background tasks for the efficiency cores. The same with email, Netflix, or video games – what you are using there and then matters most, and everything else doesn’t really need the CPU.

However, this breaks down when it comes to more professional workflows. Intel gave an example of a content creator, exporting a video, and while that was processing going to edit some images. This puts the video export on the efficiency cores, while the image editor gets the performance cores. In my experience, the limiting factor in that scenario is the video export, not the image editor – what should take a unit of time on the P-cores now suddenly takes 2-3x on the E-cores while I’m doing something else. This extends to anyone who multi-tasks during a heavy workload, such as programmers waiting for the latest compile. Under this philosophy, the user would have to keep the important window in focus at all times. Beyond this, any software that spawns heavy compute threads in the background, without the potential for focus, would also be placed on the E-cores.

Personally, I think this is a crazy way to do things, especially on a desktop. Intel tells me there are three ways to stop this behaviour:

  1. Running dual monitors stops it
  2. Changing Windows Power Plan from Balanced to High Performance stops it
  3. There’s an option in the BIOS that, when enabled, means the Scroll Lock can be used to disable/park the E-cores, meaning nothing will be scheduled on them when the Scroll Lock is active.

(For those that are interested in Alder Lake confusing some DRM packages like Denuvo, #3 can also be used in that instance to play older games.)

For users that only have one window open at a time, or aren’t relying on any serious all-core time-critical workload, it won’t really affect them. But for anyone else, it’s a bit of a problem. But the problems don’t stop there, at least for Windows 10.

Knowing my luck by the time this review goes out it might be fixed, but:

Windows 10 also uses the threads in-OS priority as a guide for core scheduling. For any users that have played around with the task manager, there is an option to give a program a priority: Realtime, High, Above Normal, Normal, Below Normal, or Idle. The default is Normal. Behind the scenes this is actually a number from 0 to 31, where Normal is 8.

Some software will naturally give itself a lower priority, usually a 7 (below normal), as an indication to the operating system of either ‘I’m not important’ or ‘I’m a heavy workload and I want the user to still have a responsive system’. This second reason is an issue on Windows 10, as with Alder Lake it will schedule the workload on the E-cores. So even if it is a heavy workload, moving to the E-cores will slow it down, compared to simply being across all cores but at a lower priority. This is regardless of whether the program is in focus or not.

Of the normal benchmarks we run, this issue flared up mainly with the rendering tasks like CineBench, Corona, POV-Ray, but also happened with yCruncher and Keyshot (a visualization tool). In speaking to others, it appears that sometimes Chrome has a similar issue. The only way to fix these programs was to go into task manager and either (a) change the thread priority to Normal or higher, or (b) change the thread affinity to only P-cores. Software such as Project Lasso can be used to make sure that every time these programs are loaded, the priority is bumped up to normal.

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  • Spunjji - Friday, November 5, 2021 - link

    I thought much the same.
  • blanarahul - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    "ArsTechnica gave a bit more info in that regard, and Alder Lake looks terrible on performance/watt."

    I was suspicious that this is the reason Intel finally went hybrid on mainstream. Golden Cove can have horrible perf/watt since Gracemont exists for low power scenarios.
  • Maxiking - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    listening to arse technica in 2k21 lol
  • michael2k - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    It's data. Do you just discount data?
  • The Garden Variety - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    Well, you at least have to appreciate that Maxiking saved significant time and effort by typing "2k21" instead of "2021". Attention to efficiency is something we can all respect and admire in MMXXI.
  • m53 - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    [Intel 12th gen consumes less power in gaming across the board vs Ryzen 5000 series](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/qmw9fl/why... [Even the Multi threaded perf per watt is also better for 12900K compared to 5900X](https://twitter.com/capframex/status/1456244849477... It is only specific cases where 12900k need to beat 5950x in multi threaded loads it needs to crank up more power. But for typical users Intel is both the perf /watt and perf /dollar champion.
  • Bobbyjones - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    Until you look at the gaming power consumption and realize Intel is beating AMD in efficiency in games and general use. Check igorslab's review. Its only in the highly threaded workstation applications like blender or synthetics that use 100% of load that Intel starts using quite a bit of power. But 99% of users will never do those, all they care about is gaming, browsing, video, etc.
  • Blastdoor - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    So if 99% of users don’t need multiple cores, I guess intel made a huge mistake in including them. They could have just made a dual core processor and “99%” of users would have been just fine.

    I think it’s HILARIOUS that people are arguing that the efficiency of this thing is just fine so long as you don’t actually fully utilize it.
  • Hulk - Thursday, November 4, 2021 - link

    You mean like how I can drive my Civic in a sane manner and get 40mpg or hammer it and get 20mpg? Push the CPU (or automobile) out of it's efficient zone and it becomes less efficient. You can do the same thing with Zen 3 CPU's. They get a little faster and use a lot more power. Same as Intel CPU's.
  • jerrylzy - Friday, November 5, 2021 - link

    12900K is no Civic. More like a Ferrari. If you never push that Ferrari, why buy it? Buy a Civic then (12600)?

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