Conclusion & First Impressions

Today’s Arm Client TechDay disclosures were generally quite a lot more extensive than in the last few years, especially given the number of new IP releases we’ve covered. Three new CPU microarchitectures, a new DSU/L3 cluster design, and two new SoC interconnect IPs is quite a bit more than we’re used to, and it goes to underscore just how much effort Arm is putting into updating all of the parts of its client IP.

Starting off with the CPUs, the new Cortex-X2 and Cortex-A710 cores are meant to be iterative designs compared to their predecessors, and that's certainly what they are from a performance and efficiency viewpoint. On a generational basis, Arm is promising a 10-16% improvement in IPC. However these figures are somewhat muddled by the fact we’re also comparing 4MB and 8MB L3 caches. Generally, it’s a reasonable expectation of what we’ll be seeing in 2022 devices, but it’s also hard to disambiguate and attribute the performance of the cores versus that of the new DSU-110 L3 cluster design.

Arm has also made some more lofty performance claims when it comes to actual device implementations in 2022, such as +30% peak-to-peak performance boosts on the parts of the X2 cores. Generally, given our expectations that both the next Snapdragon and the next Exynos flagships will come in a similar Samsung foundry process node with smaller improvements, I’m very doubtful we’ll be seeing such larger generational improvements in practice, unless somehow MediaTek surprises us with a flagship X2 SoC made out at TSMC.

While the X2 and A710 aren’t all that groundbreaking, we have to note that the move towards Armv9 brings a lot of new architectural features that would otherwise eat into the expected yearly performance or efficiency improvements. The move to the new ISA baseline has been a long time coming and I’m curious to see what it will enable in terms of media applications (SVE) or AI (new ML instructions).

This is also the fourth and last iteration of Arm’s Austin core family, so hopefully next year’s new Sophia family will see larger generational leaps. Arm admits that we’re nearing diminishing returns and it’s certainly not at the same break-neck pace it was moving a few years ago, but there’s still a lot which can be done.

Today we also saw the unveiling of a brand-new little core in the form of the Cortex-A510. A new clean-sheet design from the Cambridge team, it’s certainly using an innovative approach given its “merged core” design, sharing the L2 cache hierarchy and the FP/SIMD back-end amongst two otherwise full featured cores. The performance and IPC gains are claimed to be quite large at +35-50%, however it seems that this generation hasn’t improved the efficiency curve all that much. It’s still a much better design and will have effective benefits for power efficiency in real-world workloads due to how workloads interact between the little and larger cores, but leaves us with a feeling that it doesn’t provide a knock-out convincing jump we had expected after 4 years. The silver lining here is that Arm is promising further generational improvements in performance and power with subsequent iterations, so we won’t be left with the current state of affairs the same way we saw the Cortex-A55 stagnate.

One of the more key points I saw Arm put their focus on was the new possibilities in larger form-factor devices beyond mobile. The new DSU-110 now supports up to 8 Cortex-X2 cores, a theoretical setup that would pretty much blow away the current Cortex-A76 based Arm laptop SoCs such as the Snapdragon 8cx family. The new cluster design allows for large L3 caches of up to 16MB, and while I don’t know if we’ll see the new interconnect IPs used by the larger vendors, it surely also makes a big argument for larger performance designs. The catch is that if Qualcomm were to adopt and make such a design, it would seemingly be short-lived given their recent Nuvia acquisition and intent on using custom cores. Otherwise, because of a lack of Mali Windows drivers, this really only leaves space for a theoretical Samsung laptop SoC with AMD RDNA GPU, but such a SoC could nonetheless be very successful.

Overall, this year’s CPU and system IP announcements from Arm are extremely solid new IP offerings, really laying down a new foundation, both architecturally with Armv9, and microarchitecturally thanks to elements such as the new DSU and the new little core CPUs. We’re looking forward to the new 2022 SoCs and products that will be powered by the new Arm IP.

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  • Fulljack - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    that's why it's called DynamIQ, you know... as in "dynamic".
  • phoenix_rizzen - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    Interesting. Wonder if Samsung and/or Qualcomm will be using the A510 as the basis for a smartwatch SoC. A pair of these should provide a huge performance increase over the A7-based SoCs, but use much less power than anything using a "big" core (wasn't there a Samsung watch SoC that used a big core?).
  • EthiaW - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    An ideal mobile SoC configuration should be 2xX2+4xA710+2xA510. There is only so much background work to do and as many as four little cores do not make sense.
  • Fulljack - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    I'm thinking of 1×X2 + 3×A710 + 2×A510, and gives more room for GPU.
  • docola - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    question: does this mean if i buy a mobile phone today,
    that starting within a year from now it will eventually be useless because all
    apps will be moving to 64 bit, which my phone wont support?

    Or will my phone have access to plenty of the man 32 bit apps for 3-4 years to come?
    (if thats the cas then i think i'll buy a stupidly cheap phone till next year)

    thanks~
  • phoenix_rizzen - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    Android phones have supported 64-bit OSes and apps since the Snapdragon 810, many many years ago.

    Android stopped accepting new 32-bit apps into the Play Store in 2019.

    Android has essentially been 64-bit only for over 2 years now.
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    > Android phones have supported 64-bit OSes and apps since the Snapdragon 810,
    > many many years ago.

    You mean 8xx. I got a Nexus 5X in like 2015 that had a Snapdragon 808 with 2x A57 and 4x A53.
  • docola - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    does the shift to 64 bit apps mean that todays phone
    will start being unable to run apps next year?
  • Wilco1 - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    No. Pretty much all phones are 64-bit today and thus support 64-bit apps already.
  • Silver5urfer - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link

    What's the use when all of these end up in planned obsolescence devices which have a max life of 2-3 years. They should make this "Days charging" whatever into reality by making the phones with removable batteries.

    As for laptops, same thing but different skin. Most of the BGA laptops will die fast because of their Heatsink and non replaceable components and high heat due to thin and light designs (mostly for x86) and then the Batteries for all those machines after market there's no way anyone can make use of their HW for more years, esp if the HW is all soldered. For eg an MXM laptop can take many generations of the GPUs it used to be the case for most machines until now since nowadays Turing based GPUs Quadro cards are also non standard.

    So all in all get excited for same performance benefits that user will see, my SD835 phone is quick and fast and reliable yeah SD888 would be definitely faster but how much it would impact in the normal tasks of Maps / Browser / Videos / Music ? Games maybe but I don't play on smartphones. I presume it is same for all those SD855, 865 phones. Even the iPhones from A11 and up.

    Bonus we don't get to control even 1 bit with hardcore locks on phones from OS level Filesystem nerfs from Goolag to the HW side of having no 3.5mm jacks and SD slots. But yea people love to get excited for new shiny stuff.

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