Focusing on Premium Experiences

The issue with AMD’s notebook strategy through the 2010s was that most users saw the brand as a budget implementation, with low performance and low specifications. Both AMD and its OEM partners were complicit in assisting this projection, using 1366x768 TN screens and slow mechanical hard drives. There were a number of negative feedback loops preventing a nice AMD mobile system from hitting the market, and the only key design wins were from mass corporate sales. With the launch of the first Ryzen Mobile towards the end of the decade, AMD finally had a performance product worthy of attention, and the company has had a steady improvement generation-on-generation, convincing its OEM partners to come along and take advantage of the performance uplift for their customers.

AMD’s historic lows in that 2010 decade were performance, specifications, and battery life. With Ryzen 4000 Mobile, from last generation, AMD had a product that could dispel all those assumptions, and we saw critical acclaim put upon devices like the Lenovo Slim 7 Yoga, and the ASUS Zephyrus G14. From our review of the new generation today, Ryzen 5000 Mobile, the whole strategy that AMD is playing has finally come into focus.

AMD stated that the new generation Ryzen 5000 Mobile processors were in the lab and up-and-running only two months after Ryzen 4000 Mobile launched. AMD made both sets of processors pin-compatible, allowing OEM partners to build designs that could be used for either processor family. The key here that I’ve realized is that AMD’s ultimate goal with these was to build a strong Ryzen 5000 Mobile family, and Ryzen 4000 Mobile was an option for partners to take baby steps, but the main goal was Ryzen 5000, with Zen 3. AMD’s statement of already having over 150+ system designs in the works with Ryzen 5000 Mobile, another +50% over the previous generation, along with this strategy of having a regular predictable cadence of products through re-use of different hardware elements showcases why Ryzen 5000 Mobile is important to the company. With AMD’s recent supply issues as well, we’re of the opinion that AMD has been stockpiling these Ryzen 5000 Mobile processors in order to enable a strong Q1 and Q2 launch of the platform with stock for all OEMs.

What we tested today is one of the AMD flagships for launch, the Ryzen 9 5980HS inside the ASUS ROG Flow X13. This is a sub-16mm ultraportable gaming laptop with a mid-range discrete GPU installed, an impressive 4K 16:10 Pantone certified IPS display, 32GB LPDDR4X memory and a 1 TB NVMe SSD. It also has an executive feel and design, indicating that both AMD and ASUS want to take this platform to its most premium customers. We’re leaving a full review of the laptop itself for a later date, let us focus on the performance of the processor inside.

The jump from Zen 2 to Zen 3 in the mobile space for AMD is more than just putting in the new cores. The cache adjustment from a split 4+4 MB L3 cache to a unified 16 MB L3 cache enables a better effective latency and less reliance on constantly going out to main memory – AMD is also aggressive on the L3 prefetching policies to drive performance. We can see that the single 8-core CCX has low core-to-core communication latency showcasing that enthusiast level workloads will benefit in more ways than one.

AMD is also piling on improvements to help with power, such as enabling different per-core voltage levels and a more efficient memory controller. Per-core voltage control is something that every modern CPU has to have (or at least islands of CPUs) in order to get the best battery performance. AMD is pairing this with its CPPC2 support, and users will benefit from very quick idle-to-turbo performance for immediate responsiveness.

(9-0b) SPEC2017 1T Geomean Total

For our benchmark suite, almost all of our benchmarks show an uplift for the new Ryzen 5000 Mobile series, some considerably so: our compile benchmark is +12%, Corona rendering is +18%, Dolphin emulation +17%, NAMD +8%, Blender +6%. To our surprise our SPEC2006 1T benchmark is +32%, accelerated considerably by the 16 MB L3 cache, but also because these CPUs also support a higher instantaneous power turbo modes than the previous generation. This enables some competitive performance numbers against Intel’s Tiger Lake platform in single thread focused tests (AMD wins on multithread quite easily).

All of these core updates, as well as design wins enabling better hardware under the hood, put AMD’s Ryzen 5000 Mobile series in good stead to power a generation of machines especially as more and more of us work from home. When Intel was in a period of high demand through 2018 and 2019, Intel focused on premium solutions to make the most revenue - Intel’s financials last week showed that the company was selling more and more education-focused low-end notebooks and Chromebooks, now that demand had reduced. We can apply something similar to AMD's current situtation - AMD’s silicon is in high demand for 2021, and so AMD’s target this year would appear to be more mid-range, premium commercial, and enthusiast machines. To reaffirm this, AMD has also promised that we will see notebooks this year paired with the most powerful mobile graphics cards, enabling high-performance gamers to move to AMD. No doubt we will have a number pass through our hands through the year, especially as they hit the shelves starting February.

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  • Zizy - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    I wonder what is the point of new chips with old Zen2. 15% die size difference is meaningful but is that sufficient reason to bother (re)designing? As for the 5980HS, CPU part is pretty great when allowed to run at 35W. "Silent mode" is sometimes great but somewhat weird too - eg CB20MT shows a huge delta between the modes. Now lets just hope AMD/TSMC will manage to actually produce enough of these chips.
  • ToTTenTranz - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    "I wonder what is the point of new chips with old Zen2. "

    Diversified offer.
    Fully operational Renoir is an arguably better performer than a flawed Cezanne with disabled units, and it's cheaper to make.
  • drothgery - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    But how much cheaper? Zen 3's not that much of a bigger die than Zen 2, and it's fabbed on the same process.
  • SaturnusDK - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    How much cheaper? Until stocks last is my guess.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, January 28, 2021 - link

    I'd be interested in whether any of these differences in Lucienne are physical design alterations, as opposed to VRM / BIOS alterations, along with maybe some enabling of silicon that wasn't functional in Renoir for some reason.

    Either way, Lucienne's probably slightly more than 15% cheaper to make - not sure whether that would make up for the costs of extra masks and design work, though.
  • Farfolomew - Thursday, February 4, 2021 - link

    Ian mentions in the article that he thinks AMD was stockpiling Renoir chips all of last year in order to make a big push with the 5000 series. Is it possible that the stockpiled chips are these Zen2 "Lucienne" variety and once they sell out of them, that's all there will be? I wonder if AMD is having TSMC manufacture new Lucienne chips. I mean, why would you make something that's inferior, if it's on the same exact node as a better product (Cezanne)?
  • e36Jeff - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    saving money. The Zen2 chips offer the power savings that Zen3 got with an already established design. That lets AMD sell them cheaper, and, lets face it, 95% of the end users out there would likely be blown away by a 5700U.

    On top of that, I would wager the Zen2 chips are a 100% straight drop in upgrade for any existing 4000 series mobile designs, possibly even with little to no BIOS update needed(beyond adding the CPU ID). That lets OEMs show off a Ryzen 5000 laptop with zero extra investment needed.
  • antonkochubey - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    New chips with old Zen2 aren't really new chips, they're the same silicon and stepping, just running a newer firmware.
  • jospoortvliet - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    Read the review - there are lots of changes besides the cores that supposedly are also in the non-zen 3 5000 chips - given they also get the faster vega this seems true. I do agree it is weird..
  • GeoffreyA - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    From a personal point of view, I don't like this mixing of Zen 2 and 3, not at all, and certainly won't be glad of their continuing this practice; but it does make good sense. In a way, elegant.

    In this case, it helps to look at the cores as hidden, abstracted, a black box. Now, if such and such model fits its notch on the performance scale (5800U > 5700U > 5600U), then it shouldn't make much difference whether it's Zen 2 or 3 behind the doors. Sort of like an implementation detail.

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