Conclusion: Bin to Win

Ever since we taught fancy rocks to think, despite the decades of research and billions of dollars that go into creating grand pyramid-scale structures at the nanoscale, it still is very much an imperfect process. The tiny nibs of shiny silicon that come out, even if they are made with the same design masks, will vary in peak performance, power, and potential.

There are levers and switches that both the designer and the manufacturer can use to adjust and move the variability of the processor quality to a more favorable outcome. Before these become products for end users, the processor maker has to decide where it draws the lines in production variability. Those lines have to take into account how many of a given processor will be produced, at what power, at what frequency, and at the end of it, cost and expected longevity.

Those lines in production variability give companies like Intel an opportunity to build its product stack to focus on different markets. A good processor that’s easy to make, for example, might fall within a 98% line and be really easy to do. As a company gets more aggressive with its design, and yield, we start looking at drawing lines where only 10000-in-a-million (1%) hit that target, or even fewer than that.

The current line of Comet Lake processors features two silicon designs. There’s a 10-core variant, which supplies all the retail parts offered at 6 cores (Core i5-K), 8 cores (Core i7), and 10 cores (Core i9). The other is a 6-core variant for everything else Core i3 and below, as well as some of the 6 core parts. Out of that 10-core variant, Intel sells 12-19 mainstream Core processors, 7 Xeon W-1200 processors, and an unknown number of embedded products.

Out of these, how many of the top Core i9-K does Intel expect to sell, and where does the line need to be drawn in the current design variability to meet that target with the wafer production expected? So the question becomes, where is the line drawn for something like Intel’s consumer flagship processor?

At this point someone like Intel has two choices.

They could draw the line at this exact intersection, regardless of performance. The performance and power figures would fall where they are, which in turn would affect the marketing strategy. The issue here is that the marketing strategy in-of-itself would directly affect how many of that product Intel tends to sell. Past sales performance is no guarantee of future success, and so this has to be managed.

The other choice is to draw the line at a point more aggressive, where Intel know it won’t be able to meet demand, but it will be able to leverage the increased performance processor in its marketing strategy and keep their premium product feeling premium. The problem here is if that line is drawn too aggressive – even those launch day performance figures look good, interest in the product will likely diminish if people can’t get hold of it, even with the higher performance level. This is important if system integrators that build machines directly to end-users can’t offer the flagship processor in their best systems.

Ultimately, this is what I think happened to Intel with the Core i9-10900K. The silicon quality level required to manufacturer the hardware was strict to provide a higher performance product, but too strict to be able to manufacturer a sufficient quantity to meet demand, especially for system integrators that rely on a steady source of good performance products. For all the plaudits Intel has received for eking out the 14nm process, the line for the 10900K was drawn too far, and the company wasn’t able to meet its own goals.

Thus entered the Core i9-10850K. A slightly less aggressive product, offered at a cheaper price, and because of the less aggressive bin, available in sufficient quantities to keep system builders and end-users happy if the 10900K was not in stock locally. In order for Intel to keep up volume of expected high-end Core i9 system sales, they had to re-bin to win.

Core i9-10850K Performance

Going through our benchmark tests, the performance differential between the Core i9-10850K and the Core i9-10900K is almost zero, so there’s nothing much that’s going to separate our conclusion of either chip.

In our CPU benchmark tests, the Core i9-10850K either matched the higher clocked part or was ever so slightly behind, often within error margins, but sometimes within 1-2%. In our CPU gaming tests, is was more of a mixed bag, with the 10900K taking advantage in CPU heavy tests, but the 10850K also getting a slight lead now and again.

The point at which the two processors mostly differ is on power and thermals. The Core i9-10850K is a less strict bin of the silicon, and this is showcased very much in a couple of metrics. If you get over the fact that both processors are going north of 250 W at full load, our Core i9-10850K was drawing 15-20W more peak power, which is 6-8% higher, despite being 100 MHz slower. This manifested moreso in the processor thermals, where we were easily going north of 100ºC on this newer processor.

It’s easy to get freaked out by a triple digit number, especially given that I was testing on an open test bed with a chunky copper cooler. At this stage it’s more about thermal gradients inside the processor and how easily the thermals can move – so while users will still need something sufficient to migrate the extra thermal energy, it isn’t as bad as it sounds. We saw no obvious example where the 10850K was hitting thermal throttling in our testing. It might mean that home users might want to make their annual PC dust removal and checkups a bit more often though.

 

Which to buy is a tough question. In my mind, if your heart is set on these two processors, at a MSRP $35 difference, I’d get the 10900K, just for the slightly better performing silicon, even if the performance isn’t going to be that different. But the stock levels are so varied for the 10900K that the difference in price, depending on location, has been $200+, making it less than viable.

The other alternative is to look at AMD, assuming there are AMD Ryzen 5000 processors in stock as well. At ~$450, the direct competitor is the Ryzen 7 5800X, which is eight cores and a 4.7 GHz turbo. With the Ryzen 7 5800X, there’s no worrying about excessive power or thermals, which in of itself is perhaps peace of mind.

On performance against AMD, the 5800X wins on single threaded loads by 15-20% and encoding, while the 10850K wins on rendering multithreaded workloads like Blender by up to 10%. For 1080p maximum gaming with our RTX 2080 Ti, the differences in the most modern titles are minor at best, even with 5% lows. Certain titles will lean up to 5-8% in one direction (FF14 to AMD, F1 2019 to Intel, Civ6 to AMD). If I had to choose between the Intel and AMD, I’d have to recommend the AMD, but I'm the sort of person who temperature watches when I'm doing a heavy workload.

Gaming Tests: Strange Brigade
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  • edzieba - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    I dunno, sounds like an opportunity for ambient-pressure water phase-change cooling to me! Who needs evacuated heat-pipes or vapour-chambers when you can just spray the top of the IHS directly!
  • shabby - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Hey Ian can you put the real cpu wattage in the charts that the cpu used in that test rather than the fake one? We all know this cpu never uses 125 watts.
  • Drkrieger01 - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    You either skipped the 'Power Consumption' page, or don't understand CPU TDP ratings. The '125W' rating is the 'non-turbo' rating, meaning power consumed at max non-turbo clock rate. AMD does the same thing, and also has a higher power consumption during turbo (although not anywhere near as much as Intel does).
  • shabby - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Since each benchmark varies it would be nice seeing how much wattage each cpu used during that benchmark.
    Yes i know amd uses more power during turbo, the 5950x uses 30 watts more than advertised... compared to ~140 watts more that intel advertises their 10850k to use. That quite the difference don't you think?
  • Drkrieger01 - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Unless you're working on a power budget, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. Most review websites don't have the time/man-power to trace the power usage on each benchmark for each CPU. You will also have a variance between processors of the exact same model due to binning/silicon lottery. You're better off planning to use/dissipate the full turbo power of the CPU than hope for lower power. Or just buy an AMD (if you can find one!)
  • eek2121 - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Actually AMD chips use the TDP value as the maximum power value minus the IO power, so all AMD chips use a total of 143 watts at maximim.
  • Flunk - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Intel seems to have six similar i9 SKUs with prices ranging from $453 to $488. Seems rather pointless. Maybe Intel marketing should spend some time thinking about whether or not their insanely complex model scheme is contributing to their lack of sales. AMD has ONE SKU that competes with all of those Intel SKUs. Clock down for lower TDP doesn't need to be an entire SKU.
  • Duwelon - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Whoever comes up with Intel's SKUs must be the same person/people responsible for interfacing with USB Implementers Forum on Intel's behalf. The industry is replete with remarkably confusing naming schemes, seemingly on purpose.
  • DanNeely - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    Making the low power versions use the same model number would be a very anti-consumer move because you'd have no easy way to know if you were getting the 3.7Ghz or 1.9Ghz model. We already have that problem on mobile where two laptops with identical specs perform wildly different because one is running the CPU at 2x the power/performance of the other. Using separate model numbers also lets you bin chips that perform best at low and high power levels separately.

    The production limit bins (10850K and both IGPless KF models) muddle things up a bit; but Intel's desktop lines are very cleanly broken out vs what they did a decade+ ago with a mess of different similar chips with varying cache sizes and clock speeds but the same core counts; or the ongoing mess of their mobile line (good luck figuring anything out about one of those chips from its model number without looking it up).
  • Crazyeyeskillah - Monday, January 4, 2021 - link

    they have various skus for oem's, system builders, general public, retail products, ect ect

    Certain OEMs require a non-open market skus to promote their products or run at certain specs that differentiate them from what's available on the open market.

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