Conclusion & End Remarks

Coming to the end of the review, we’re come to know to interesting devices from LG. The V60 and Velvet are two quite different devices that contrast LG’s seeming transition in device design, and for the most part, I’ve come to a generally positive impression from both phones.

Starting off with the LG V60, the first thing that is striking about the phone is that it’s a very non-contemporary design. Whilst most other manufacturers in 2020 have opted for curved screens and hole-punch front camera phones, LG has instead opted to seemingly remain in the past with a thick-bezeled notch design with a 2018-esque chamfered metal frame. Design is subjective, and practically besides of the ergonomics of a phone of this size, there’s nothing much wrong about keeping things simple like this – I’m pretty sure even a lot of people will enjoy the flat screen.

LG’s choice to go with a lower resolution screen when compared to the V50 is odd if one wouldn’t be familiar with LG past issues with battery life. I think the mobile division’s choice in downgrading the resolution is pretty much an admission that LG’s display division isn’t able to provide them with an efficient 1440p panel. I think this downgrade, as much as it’s painful for display fidelity, is the much better choice for the V60 as it finally solves the battery problem, and combined with the Snapdragon 865 and a 5000mAh makes the V60 amongst the longest lasting devices on the market today.

The lack of a high refresh-rate panel is a pity in 2020 – so that’s one of the compromises one has to make when going with the phone. Another big weakness is colour accuracy, and the V60 here is just horrible, but sadly we’ve come to expect that from LG phones.

Performance of the phone is great thanks to the S865 – it’s on par with other devices and results in a good user experience. I feel like LG’s software here can use a ton more polish in terms of their animations and general snappiness, but it’s not the phone itself which lacks processing power.

On the camera side of things, LG’s daylight pictures are excellent and easily amongst the top performers on the market. I really love what they did with the 64MP main camera sensor and it really is very detail-rich with good processing. The biggest weakness is low-light photography when it gets darker beyond a certain point, and the company’s lack of a proper computational photography night mode means it can’t compete with the rest of the pack when it gets very dark.

The LG Velvet is an interesting phone. First of all, LG’s redesign is a resounding success, and this is by far the sexiest LG phone we’ve come to experience in years. The company has always tried to be different in terms of their designs, but to be honest, there’s only so many ways to design a glass sandwich slab. For me the ergonomics of the phone are infinitely better than the V60 even though both devices share the same screen diagonal.

It’s also a 1080p screen, but here given that it’s a upper-mid-range / premium positioned device, I feel that it’s adequate enough for its class.

The Snapdragon 765 is new for a lot of people, and whilst it’s not my first encounter with the SoC, it’s the first comparison I was able to make against the S865 against a device from the same vendor, meaning the software stack and optimisations are similar. The end-result is probably a bit more disappointing than I had hoped it to be: On the CPU side, the chip generally performs in-between a Snapdragon 845 and a Snapdragon 855. Whilst I would no way say that it’s a bad user experience, there’s a clear difference in performance to the flagship V60.

On the GPU side, I feel like the difference is quite bigger, and here the phone performs in-between a Snapdragon 835 and 845 flagship phones when it comes to the performance, almost 2.5x slower than the Snapdragon 865 powered V60. That’s quite a starker difference, and if you’re a heavy gamer, it might not be the wisest purchase, versus say, just buying an older flagship phone.

Camera wise, the Velvet actually performed very well, and its best characteristics are that the processing is extremely similar to that of the V60, which means it’s quite excellent. Of course, the inferior sensor does mean slightly less details, dynamic range, and low-light photography is still a no-go, but at this price range it’s still reasonable enough.

Availability Is The Handicap

The LG V60’s release price was $899 which actually undercut a lot of other Snapdragon 865 phones in the market at the time, at least Samsung’s devices. The phone’s strengths are its outstanding battery life and a strong daylight camera. Weaknesses are a more lacklustre screen and a worse very low-light camera system. Unique things about the phone are its inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack. In general, the competition at this price would the OnePlus 8 Pro, which admittedly just offers a much better overall package, only sacrificing some battery life and the 3.5mm jack. I feel like LG would need a $100 price cut to make the V60 a more rationalised purchase.

 

The LG Velvet comes in at 599€. Whilst the phone its generally good for its price-point, the biggest issue I have with these premium devices is that 90% of the time you’re just better off buying last year’s flagship phones. A Galaxy S10 right now undercuts the Velvet at 555€ whilst being a much better phone with a better display, more performance, and overall better camera system. The only thing where the Velvet really is able to claim victory over last year’s devices is its 5G connectivity which future-proofs the phone significantly. In that sense, I also feel that the device is slightly overpriced as-is, and a 100€ reduction would alleviate any hesitations for its purchase. OnePlus’s upcoming Nord device seemingly will have very similar specifications to the Velvet while we’re expecting it to come at a lower price as well.

 

LG’s biggest issues today however isn’t merely pricing, but also availability. The V60 was never released in Europe and in the US it’s most commonly available only from select carriers. My review unit is actually T-Mobile branded phone and it comes with the usual bloatware associated with that.

The Velvet just outright isn’t available in the US, so you’ll have no luck in getting a device there. The phone was recently released in Europe with wider availability, as you can for example just buy a unit off LG directly from Amazon for example.

Overall, both phones aren’t the most competitive phones, but they’re still LG’s best phones they have made to date, and are both definitive improvements of the company’s past attempts. Let’s hope the Velvet’s fresh redesign can also be applied to other future LG devices.

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  • flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    Yeah, I've owned about 15 phones over the years. Never once have I experienced severe battery degradation. I think it exists mostly inside people's heads. It's much more likely that your usage patterns or software have changed, or just that you haven't noticed your battery running down constantly. You're not likely to notice a 20% drop, that's like 4 hours instead of 5... The way people talk it's like their "phone doesn't hold a charge anymore" ... Never really happened to me.
  • RaduR - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    Not true.
    There are some problems here. In 2 years I see clear battery degradation . Try an app and you will see. All my phones after 1.5-2 years are at 25% battery degradation . That leaves 75% usable.

    Also in 2 years apps get bigger and bigger eating core ram and battery . So you will see SOT and standby degradation .

    It is not huge but it is.
    From 12 -15 hous to 10 house usage time it's a difference that MAY create discomfort .

    The above are correct only if you are a heavy user. ....
  • TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    I am a heavy user, constantly streaming audio and often video on my phone, and after 4 years its gone from 12 hours of SoT to 9.5. Losing 25% over 4 years isnt too bad.

    Bigger batteries are always welcome.

    People also need to wean themselves off of fast charging. The heat generated from rapid charging wears down batteries faster. There's a reason most iphone batteries last as long as they do: they are still using their 5 watt chargers and the batteries dont even get warm.

    With the ever growing battery capacities charging only overnight is truly viable. And the reduced number of charge cycles also extends battery life by several years.
  • nico_mach - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    Apps DO NOT 'get bigger and bigger'. Games, if you're playing any cutting edge games (whatever that means on mobile) maybe. But NO.

    The most common cause on my phones over time is that Android resets Google preferences that run in the background. You shouldn't have much of anything else running in the background so it doesn't matter how 'big' your apps get for battery life, except when you're using them.

    And of course batteries age. But my s8 started out pretty big (compare to iphone 6, wow!) and is still going strong in year 3 or whatever this is now. Which is a shame, I'd like to switch back to apple actually, but I'm too frugal to give up on this phone.
  • nutxoo - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    I got myself and the wife the dual screen version of the v60. They were 899 BOGO. 450 seemed reasonable to me. We replaced our v30s that we never had issues with. We had gotten the v30s BOGO and each one had a rebate for a projector. The v30s replaced the g4s we got BOGO and we had those for 25 months until one did the boot loop but after 25 months we needed phones anyways'

    As long as I can get em BOGO and dont have issues I will keep getting LG.
  • PeachNCream - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link

    I'm sorry, but I'm lost here. What does BOGO mean?
  • nicolaim - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link

    Buy one, get one free, a.k.a. two-for-one.
  • flyingpants265 - Sunday, July 19, 2020 - link

    I'm so sick and tired of the battery thing. Just stop. It's very easy to replace the battery on most phones, just buy the tools required or take it to a reputable shop.
  • 0x1874DE4C - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    USB 2? 2000 called and wants its interface back.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    USB 3 needs an extra controller and 99% of people only use it to charge. Not worth the cost to LG

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