Hygon be Bygon

Every processor made in the US has to be of a certain performance level in order to be deemed suitable for export. Companies have pages and pages of documents relating to the performance of their hardware as determined by the metrics that govern the laws in the USA. These metrics include raw processing power, measured in gigaflops (GFLOPs), adjusted peak performance (APP), and/or the composite theoretical performance (CTP). Depending on which territory you export to, one or more of these metrics may apply.

One way around this, if you cannot import the CPU, is to have a license to build it. But more than that, if you can adjust the license and have a custom input into the design, you can relabel the hardware as a homespun device and be somewhat within the realms of plausibility. This is how one of AMD’s core designs, with modifications, has made it into a ‘Chinese’ x86 CPU for the Chinese market. The big plus on the packaging isn’t so much that it avoids import issues, but the ‘中国’ label that comes attached. Then again, one assumes that the people using these CPUs don’t exactly have a choice in what they can buy.

We discovered that these processors have been changed from the Zen 1 design in a number of ways. To say they are carbon copies of the Zen 1 SoCs, which is what a lot of people have suspected, is not true – enough has changed in the design to say that these parts are rebalanced, mostly for worse performance than their Zen 1 counterparts. The integer performance is essentially identical, however the floating point performance has been reduced – common instructions having half the throughput, and random number generation has been adjusted to be both slow and produce lower quality random numbers. The cryptography engines have also been replaced, such that common AES instructions are no longer accelerated but others more specific to the Chinese security, such as SM2, SM3, and SM4, are now included. In our testing, despite the processors showing AVX/AVX2 support when probed, it appeared to be disabled. We suspect this to be more of a firmware bug than a limitation of the Hygon CPU.

The method by which AMD was able to get an edited version of its first generation Zen core design into a ‘Chinese’ designed x86 CPU is highly convoluted. By first creating a joint venture with other Chinese companies called THATIC, then by forming two companies called HMC and Hygon each owned in different amounts between AMD and THATIC, how each business was able to discuss and control parts of the IP was sculpted in order to keep the secret sauce still in AMD’s hands, but allow the Chinese side of the ventures to request modifications. Those requests have to then be approved, and then HMC commissions the chips from GlobalFoundries, while Hygon packages them and sells them to companies like Sugon. We go into detail on this in our overview back on the first page, but suffice to say trying to follow where all the pieces are is almost like playing a game of Risk blindfolded.

With AMD unwilling to discuss on the record any of the finer details of the arrangement or changes to the processors, when asked if they could disclose how the processors were changed, we were told ‘if you find anything out, we may confirm it’. The one time I was able to see a Hygon Dhyana processor was due to a miscommunication with one of the Hygon vendors at Computex, and the person who let me take pictures suddenly stopped communicating with me after the event (I presume to keep his job). It still took over a year from those discussions to get hold of the chips for testing, and only then we were able to obtain the chips due to the current US Entity List ban covering one of the joint venture companies. This essentially killed the project dead, and caused one of the US subsidiaries to be mothballed, allowing some parts to leak onto the market where they had once been meticulously controlled.

Overall these Hygon CPUs offered China an alternative to the Intel market, and arguably something faster than they might have been able to purchase through import restrictions. AMD made some money at a time it badly needed it, but with the success of its Zen 2 platform, I don’t foresee AMD needing to do something similar over the next decade. The nature of the agreement between AMD, its joint venture THATIC, and the joint companies, was only for a single core design, Zen 1, and not Zen 2, limiting its competitiveness. Moreover, the US Entity List ban on one of the joint venture companies, for all intents and purposes, has made the project dead. The Chinese Hygon Dhyana x86 processors will still be in use by governments and other such organizations for a number of years to come, but this is bound to end up one of the oddest annals of the history of semiconductors.

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  • Arsenica - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    With Global Foundries "diffusing" these CPUs in their NY fab and HMC now being a US sanctioned entity they cannot get more chips right now.

    But as HMC has the RTL they don't really need AMD to port the chip to SMIC or TSMC (which is very willing to keep making chips for Huawei).

    So at most this means that by 2022 China will have a sanction-proof high performance X86 chip (they already have the IP of the VIA Zhaoxin) and by 2025-2030 they could have a "new" derivative implementation with that achieves parity with Intel and AMD's future chips.
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    I would agree if Intel and AMD stop improving there designs which they won't. The other possibility is that we stop seeing foundry improvements then at that point I could see China get a little closer but that is over a decade out.
  • romrunning - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    With enough money & will, couldn't they get a foundry in a couple of years? China's in it for the long game, and I can't imagine their gov't not being prepared to build one after they feel they have working designs.
  • rrinker - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    There's like one company that makes the machinery for the newest process nodes. Do you think they will risk guaranteed sales to the likes of Intel and AMD and sell their equipment to China? And if you think China has the ability to right now design and build a 7nm, let alone a 10nm, production facility from scratch, designing all the equipment on their own - think again.
  • Quantumz0d - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    Just because of US intervention ASML stopped on the pretext of Wassennar Arrangement + US lobby to Netherlands govt.

    SMIC had violated TSMC IP and has settled for 10% stake and $200M. It was formed to produce 40nm Wafer tech. But it exists.

    Innotron and JHICC are DRAM specific manufacturers. Wallst from US sold out US long back and not to steer to much into racial talk. The Elites allowed it.

    US retaliation this late aint going to stop Chinese at all. Their Tanks are from Russian tech reverse engineered and Jets as well. That's Military Technology.

    Just food for thought you know. At max US can slow down. But with crony capitalism like Apple due to greed they sold out. They allowed Guizhou Cloud to get keys and make all anti liberty tech which people love and push propaganda on their AppleTV. Its a shame. So AMDs part is very minor after seeing that DoD and Commerce gave free path to AMD.
  • peevee - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    "By first creating a joint venture with other Chinese companies called THATIC, then by forming two companies called HMC and Hygon each owned in different amounts between AMD and THATIC, how each business was able to discuss and control parts of the IP was sculpted in order to keep the secret sauce still in AMD’s hands, but allow the Chinese side of the ventures to request modifications"

    Sounds like a recipe to circumvent US regulations or fool US regulators that the IP is not being sold to China for cheap ($200M is NOTHING for a modern core design which is a culmination of tens of years of R&D and tens of billions of USD). Especially with AMD having 51% share of THAIC, they were essentially paying themselves - while CHINA was getting all the IP.
  • Retycint - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    Imagine thinking that you, as a random nobody, know more than the DoD, DoC and various other governmental agencies who actually have access to the full details of the arrangement.
  • Oxford Guy - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    Appeal to authority fallacy.

    Governments make really stupid decisions all the time. Haven't you noticed that? Also, the decisions that governments make don't always align well with the needs and desires of others, such as the vast majority of the populations they ostensibly represent.
  • Notmyusualid - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    @ Oxford +1.
  • Lord of the Bored - Friday, February 28, 2020 - link

    It was designed to give Intel the finger. Their ancient settlement with Intel prohibits them from sublicensing the x86. They needed to maintain legal ownership at multiple stages for this project to not get them sued by Intel.

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