You might be right, but AMD's got a limited ability to lower the price on any of its Vega-based GPUs, partly because the HBMII memory on it is ridiculously expensive, and partly because the sheer wattage of these cards and chips means that they need to have pretty beefy card/cooling designs, etc.
That's why we never really saw great deals on the Vega 56/64 even after the RTX cards came out with better performance/$ (or /w) or most consumer applications.
Much more important are the prices for the 5700 (XT). If AMD's Computex performance figures are correct, we now have the situation:
5700 XT at 449$ is ~5-10% faster then the 2060 Super at 399$. 5700 at 379$ beats is ~10-15% faster then the 2060 at 349$. Also there is the game bundle situation in favor of nvidia.
With these prices, the 5700 makes no sense - for just 20$ more you get a much better 2060 Super. Similar for the 5700 XT: 50$ more for just 5-10% is too much. AMD must lower their prices, the question is by how much? If AMD brings the 5700 XT down to 399$ and 5700 to 349$ then Nvidia is in a world of hurt. Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensive and can't react with new chips anytime soon. While AMD has room for a price war with the small 7nm chips and more Navi variants on the horizon.
> Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensive
NVIDIA can lower their prices all they want because they've got cash in the bank. But they won't, firstly because they just did, and secondly because they already have the market sewn up. Even if Navi does undercut Turing pricing, the former still has to overcome the market dominance of the latter (and Pascal).
"Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensive" . You seem to know quite a lot about how much money Nvidia spends on making their products. WikiLeaks or pure divine inspiration?
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Phynaz - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
Navi isn’t going to helptamalero - Wednesday, July 3, 2019 - link
different markets. supposedly VEGA is a compute strong card vs a pure gaming card of most of Nvidia lineup.imaskar - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Compute strong card without CUDA, which most of compute software relies on. Cool.sing_electric - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
You might be right, but AMD's got a limited ability to lower the price on any of its Vega-based GPUs, partly because the HBMII memory on it is ridiculously expensive, and partly because the sheer wattage of these cards and chips means that they need to have pretty beefy card/cooling designs, etc.That's why we never really saw great deals on the Vega 56/64 even after the RTX cards came out with better performance/$ (or /w) or most consumer applications.
Meteor2 - Saturday, July 6, 2019 - link
And because cryptominers bought all of them.Dark42 - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
Much more important are the prices for the 5700 (XT). If AMD's Computex performance figures are correct, we now have the situation:5700 XT at 449$ is ~5-10% faster then the 2060 Super at 399$.
5700 at 379$ beats is ~10-15% faster then the 2060 at 349$.
Also there is the game bundle situation in favor of nvidia.
With these prices, the 5700 makes no sense - for just 20$ more you get a much better 2060 Super.
Similar for the 5700 XT: 50$ more for just 5-10% is too much.
AMD must lower their prices, the question is by how much?
If AMD brings the 5700 XT down to 399$ and 5700 to 349$ then Nvidia is in a world of hurt.
Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensive and can't react with new chips anytime soon.
While AMD has room for a price war with the small 7nm chips and more Navi variants on the horizon.
The_Assimilator - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
> Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensiveNVIDIA can lower their prices all they want because they've got cash in the bank. But they won't, firstly because they just did, and secondly because they already have the market sewn up. Even if Navi does undercut Turing pricing, the former still has to overcome the market dominance of the latter (and Pascal).
Meteor2 - Saturday, July 6, 2019 - link
This. The 5700 line is dead without a price-cut, immediately.Gastec - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
"Nvidia can't lower their prices too much because their chips are big and expensive" . You seem to know quite a lot about how much money Nvidia spends on making their products. WikiLeaks or pure divine inspiration?just4U - Friday, July 5, 2019 - link
Amd won't drop the price on the Vega VII, it keeps selling out.. limited supplies or super (heh..) popular?