Competing Against Itself: 3.9 GHz Ice Lake-U on 10nm vs 4.9 GHz Comet Lake-U on 14nm

At the same time that Intel is releasing Ice Lake, we have confirmed from multiple sources that the company intends to release another generation of mobile products based on 14nm as well. This line of hardware, also called Intel 10th Gen Core, will be under the internal codename ‘Comet Lake’, and go after a similar power distribution to what Ice Lake will. There are a few differences in the design worth noting, and a big one that Intel will have a hard time organizing its marketing materials for.

The differences between Ice Lake-U and Comet Lake-U are set to be quite confusing. Leaks from various OEMs about upcoming products give us the following:

Ice Lake: The Core i7-1065G7

Ice Lake-U hardware, based on 10nm, will be given a ‘G’ in the product name, such as i7-1065G7. This breaks down such that

  • i7 = Core i7
  • 1065 = from the 10th Gen Core
  • 1065 = position ‘65’ relative to the rest of the other Ice lake processors,
  • G7 = ‘Graphics Level 7’, which we believe to be the highest.

Intel has stated that the Ice Lake-U hardware will come in at 9W, 15W, and 28W, as described in the previous pages, offering a highest turbo clock of 4.1 GHz, 64 EUs of Gen11 graphics, suitable for up to 1.1 TF of FP64 calculations. We suspect that the 4.1 GHz turbo frequency will be given to the 28W model following previous Intel launches, which means that the 15W part is likely to turbo to a few hundred MHz lower. Based on the Ice Lake plans we know, it seems that Intel is only targeting up to quad-core designs, but Ice Lake does support LPDDR4. Due to using the 10nm process, and with additional power refinements, Ice Lake hardware is expected to have longer a battery life compared to Comet Lake, although we will see this in product reviews through the year.

Comet Lake: The Core i7-10510U

Contrast this to Comet Lake-U, which is another round of processors based on 14nm. OEMs have given some light onto these processors, which should offer up to six cores. The naming of the processors follows on from the 8th Gen and 9th Gen parts, but is now under 10th Gen. This means that the Core i7-10510U breaks down as:

  • i7 = Core i7
  • 10510 = from the 10th Gen Core family,
  • 10510 =  position ‘51’ relative to the rest of Comet Lake
  • U = U-series processor, 15-28W

OEM listings have shown Comet Lake-U to turbo up to 4.9 GHz on the best quad-core processor, while we have seen 9th gen hardware hit 5.0 GHz in the larger H-series designs.

For a full side-by-side comparison:

Ice Lake-U vs Comet Lake-U
Ice Lake-U* AnandTech Comet Lake-U*
10+ Lithography '14nm class'
i7-1065G7 Example CPU Name i7-10510U
9W
15W
28W
TDP Options 15W
28W?
Same as 9th Gen?
Up to 4C Core Counts Up to 6C (expected)
Sunny Cove CPU Core Skylake+++
Up to 64 EUs
Gen11
GPU GT2 Core Up to 24 EUs
Gen9.5
3.9G (15W)
4.1G (28W)
Highest Turbo 4.9G? (15W)
5.0G+ ?
DDR4-3200
LPDDR4-3733
DDR DDR4-2667
LPDDR3-2133
AVX-512 AVX AVX2
*All details are not yet confirmed by Intel, but shown on partner websites/trusted sources

Should Intel go ahead with the naming scheme, it is going to offer a cluster of mixed messages, even to end-users that understand the naming scheme. For those that don’t, there might not be an obvious way to tell a 10th Gen Ice Lake system and a 10th Gen Comet Lake system part from just reading the specification sheet, especially if the vendor lists it just as ‘10th Gen Core i7’.

Intel is trying to mitigate some of this with Project Athena, which is a specification for premium 10th Gen designs. In order to meet Athena specifications, you technically don’t need to have an Ice Lake processor, but it definitely does help with the graphics and battery life targets. We’re unsure at this point if Intel will add in distinct labeling to Athena approved devices or not, but this might be one way to discern between the two. The other is to look for the letter: G means Ice Lake, U means Comet Lake.

So the question is about what matters most to users?

If you want raw CPU frequency and cores, then Comet Lake still has benefits there, even if we add on Intel’s expected ‘+18%’ IPC claims. It would all come down to how the turbo plays out in each device, and Intel states that it is working closer than ever before with its OEM partners to optimize for performance.

Ice Lake systems on the other hand are going to offer better graphics, are initially all likely to be under the Project Athena heading, and provide good connectivity (Wi-Fi 6), good displays, and really nice battery life for the class of device. Ice Lake is going to play more in the premium space too, at least initially, which might indicate that Comet Lake could be angled down the price bracket.

To be honest, we should have been expecting this. When Dr. Murthy Renduchintala joined Intel a couple of years ago, he was quoted as saying that he wants to disaggregate the ‘generation’ from the lithography, and offer a range of products within each generation. The fruits of that campaign started with the last round of mobile platforms, and the fruits of that endeavor will ripen through the Ice Lake/Comet Lake kerfuffle*. It’s going to be agonizing to tell users the difference, and even more so if OEMs do not list exact CPU specifications in their online listings. Intel has been so forthright with two distinct brands, the ‘X’ Gen Core and the Core ‘i7/i5/i3’ naming, that now both are ultimately meaningless to differentiate between two different types of products.

What should be the solution here? On initial thoughts, I would have pushed Ice Lake as an 11th Gen Core. It’s a new and exciting product, with a updated microarchitecture, better graphics, and leading edge lithography, along with Project Athena, it needs to be categorically separated from any other processors it might be competing with. It’s either that, or come up with an alternative naming scheme for it all. At this point, Intel is heading to a sticky mess, where it’s competing against itself and the casual user who hasn’t done meticulous research might not end up with the optimum product.

*To be clear, in the past, Intel used to separate product line microarchitecture based on the nth Gen Core designation. This does not happen anymore – a single ‘nth Gen Core’ brand might have 3+ different microarchitectures depending on what product you are looking at. It is ultimately confusing for any end-customers that have a passing knowledge of Intel’s product lines, and highly annoying to anyone with technical prowess discussing Intel’s products. I hate it. I understand it, but I hate it.

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  • s.yu - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    "Charge 4+hrs in 30 mins"
    ...Ok, I think "4+hrs battery life under 30 min. charging" sounds better, or just Intel's version.
  • 29a - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Should Intel go ahead with the naming scheme, it is going to offer a cluster of mixed messages.

    I believe the word you are looking for there is clusterfuck.
  • ifThenError - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    To bad the article doesn't state any further details about the HEVC encoders. Would be interesting to hear if Intel only improved the speed or if they also worked on compression and quality.

    I bought a Gemini Lake system last year to try the encoding in hardware and have very mixed feelings about Intel's Quick Sync since. The encoding speed is impressive with the last generation already, and all the while CPU and GPU are practically in idle. On the downside the image quality and compression ratio is highly underwhelming and not even near usable for “content creation“ or mere transcoding. It suffices for video calls at best. Even encoding h264 in software reaches far better compression efficiency while being not much slower on a low end CPU.

    IIRC Intel promised some “quality mode” for their upcoming encoders, but I can't remember if that was for the gen11 graphics.
  • intel_gene - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    There is some information on GNA available. It is accessed through Intel's OpenVINO.
    https://docs.openvinotoolkit.org/latest/_docs_IE_D...
    https://github.com/opencv/dldt/tree/2019/inference...
    There is some background information here:
    https://sigport.org/sites/default/files/docs/Poste...
  • urbanman2004 - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    I wonder what happens to Project Athena if none of the products released by the vendor partners/OEMs meet the criteria that Intel's established.
  • GreenReaper - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    Plagues of snakes, owls, eagles, Asari, etc.
  • gambita - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link

    nice of you to do intels bidding and promote and help their pr
  • howtomakedeliciousfood - Thursday, August 8, 2019 - link

    www.howtomakedeliciousfood.com
  • HikariWS - Sunday, August 11, 2019 - link

    These improvements on serial performance are great, it's awesome to have bigger buffers and more execution units. But in clock area it seems to be a big drawback.

    I'm sure clock issues is the reason we won't have any Ice Lake on desktop, and Comet Lake on laptops on the same generation. But, why no 6C Ice Lake? This opened a but alert sign on me.

    But what also called my attention is its IGP power. Most mid range and above laptops ae using nVidia GPU. That's sad for us who want performance and won't play on it, because mid laptops are alrdy all coming with nVidia GPU which makes them more expensive.

    Now I hope to have these segments using Intel IGP and not have nVidia GPU anymore. Good to us on having less money wasted on hardware we don't need, bad for nVidia.
  • nils_ - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link

    Can you please stop eating the chips? Yield must be bad enough as it is!

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