Camera - Daylight Evaluation - Dynamic Range

Moving on to scenes that are most consistently in need of good HDR processing:

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Mate 20Pro    ] - Mate 20   ] - P20Pro   ] - P20   ]
Mate 10Pro   ] - [ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ] - [ Pixel XL ]
[ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ] - [ S8 ]
[ LG G7 ] - [ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ]
[ MIX2S ]

The first shot is the first one where the Mate 20 Pro finally seems to do better than the P20 Pro, with brighter shadows in the background of the cove. Oddly enough, the regular Mate 20 here does an even better job in this regard.

In the wide shot, the Mate 20 Pro yet again manages to produce a much wider dynamic range image than the Mate 20. Here the processing not only is able to bring out better shadows, but also does a significantly better job on the cobblestones’ textures. Both Mate phones again handily beat the result from LG’s phones.

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Mate 20Pro    ] - Mate 20   ] - P20Pro   ] - P20  ]
Mate 10Pro   ] -[ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ] - [ Pixel XL ]
 [ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ] - [ S8 ]
 [ LG G7 ] - [ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ]
[ MIX2S ]

This is another scene where the Mate 20 Pro does better than the P20 Pro, being able to tone down the highlights of the sky to expose the cloud textures as well as brighten up the shadows more than the sibling device. I feel as though this has a cost in terms of detail as we don’t see as good retention as on the P20 Pro throughout the scene’s foliage and stonework.

The Mate 20 produces a very similar shot in terms of overall composition, but loses out in terms of dynamic range in the darkest shadows. In terms of detail, it’s better over the Mate 20 Pro in the centre tree, but loses out in background detail.

While both phones do an acceptable job in terms of the composition, they could be just a little brighter. Here I think the iPhone XS leads the pack in terms of best exposure.

On the wide angle shots, the Mate 20 Pro again a better dynamic range and exposure than the Mate 20, as the latter is too dark. I do feel the M20Pro’s colour temperature of this shot is a bit too warm, but other than that the phone pretty much stands alone in terms of wide-angle quality, as LG’s G7 yet again produces a pretty atrocious image.

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Mate 20Pro    ] - Mate 20   ] - P20Pro   ] - P20  ]
Mate 10Pro   ] - [ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ] - [ Pixel XL ]
 [ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ] - [ S8 ] - [ LG G7 ]
[ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ] - [ MIX2S ]

Moving on to the next scene, we find again the Mate 20 Pro producing a very different image to the P20 Pro – to the detriment of the new model, at least in my opinion. Here both the Mate 20 Pro and Mate 20 produce extremely similar results, but both have the result of favouring to push their dynamic range towards the darker parts of the image, where they do better than the P20 Pro, however this comes at a cost of a more blown out sky.

On the wide angle lens, the Mate 20 Pro again produces a much better and high dynamic range result than the Mate 20. The overall result of the M20Pro is just very good, and both phones fare significantly better than LG again.

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Mate 20Pro    ] - Mate 20   ] - P20Pro   ] - P20  ]
Mate 10Pro    ] - [ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ] - [ Pixel XL ]
 [ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ] - [ S8 ] - [ LG G7 ]
 [ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ] - [ MIX2S ]

In this shot, I think the Mate 20 does a better job than the Mate 20 Pro, as the exposure composition feels a lot closer to reality. Here the M20Pro again sees very different processing to the P20Pro, but the differences mostly lie in the colour renditions, and the Mate 20 Pro does better in resulting in more natural colours.

The wide angle lens on the Mate 20 Pro is again pretty fantastic, essentially standing on its own in terms of quality. The Mate 20’s shot is again less exposed with less dynamic range. Again both phones beat out LG’s results, although the V30’s colour temperature was the most accurate.

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Mate 20Pro     ] - Mate 20    ] - P20Pro   ]
P20  ] - Mate 10Pro   ] - [ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ]
[ Pixel XL ] - [ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ]
 [ S8 ] - [ LG G7 ] - [ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ]
[ MIX2S ]

The next scene is a bit of a double-edged sword for the Mate 20’s, and both provide quite different results. The Mate 20 Pro produces a much higher dynamic range image than the P20 Pro, however this flattens the image quite a lot more than it should have. Here the iPhone XS and Pixel 3 were the nearest in terms of the actual lighting of the scene. The Mate 20 does better in this regard, and maintains better contrast throughout the image.

Switching over to the wide-angle lens, we see the Mate 20 Pro regain significantly more contrast, and again the overall result looks great. Comparing it to the Mate 20’s wide module, the latter again showcases a darker picture with less dynamic range.

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Mate 20Pro    ] - Mate 20   ] - P20Pro   ]
P20  ] - Mate 10Pro  ] - [ Pixel 3 ] - [ Pixel 2 ] - [ Pixel XL ]
 [ iPhone XS ] - [ iPhone X ] - [ Note9 ] - [ S9+ ] - [ S8 ]
[ LG G7 ] - [ LG V30 ] - [ OnePlus 6 ] - [ OPPO FindX ] - [ MIX2S ]

The last daylight scenario is again pretty varied in terms of brightness levels, contains bright highlights in the trees as well as darker shadow elements. For some unfortunate reason, the P20 Pro was out of focus in this shot, which means we can’t do a proper direct comparison to the Mate 20 Pro. The new phone though did seem to produce a flatter image, and although the dynamic range and shadow retention is excellent, I feel like it needed more contrast. The regular Mate 20 does provide more contrast, but comes at a cost of shadow detail, so both phones are producing images in two different directions.

Finally, the last wide angle shot is again a massive win for the Mate 20 Pro, showcasing again extremely good overall dynamic range retention. It loses out details in the shadows, but that’s about the only negative for the shot. As we’ve now seen in the vast majority of scenes, the Mate 20’s wide shot again produces a flatter, less exposed image. Again, big picture quality advantages over LG’s wide angle shooters.

Daylight Conclusion

Overall the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro are two quite different phones when it comes to their still image cameras.

Starting off with the Mate 20 Pro, Huawei’s choice to reuse the same type of sensor as on the P20 Pro brings with it the same advantages and disadvantages. In daylight scenarios, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Like on the P20 Pro, the big sensor’s 40MP resolution is very rarely actually useable – the camera in this mode just lacks enough dynamic range in its shots and most of the time the resulting composition just isn’t good enough – although in perfect conditions it can vastly outperform many cameras.  

In the 10MP mode, the sensor is able to take advantage of sensor-ISP based HDR processing with each pixel in the 2x2 bin using a different exposure to create a better image. This is still unique to the Mate 20 Pro and P20 Pro, however I feel like we’ve seen an overall regression in the overall processing when compared to the P20 Pro. Here the Mate 20 Pro still produces good images, but they don’t seem to have the same kind of leap that the P20 Pro had. It’s possible Huawei will iterate on its software processing here and try to bring in better results over time. In the end, I come to the same conclusion as on the P20 Pro: Because you’ll have to use the 10MP mode anyway, I feel like the phone would have been better off with a more traditional sensor along with OIS. Here the iPhone XS and Galaxy S9 sensors just have a significant advantage in spatial resolution at the same time as having great dynamic range.

In terms of telephoto modules, the Mate 20 Pro and P20 Pro still remain unmatched. Again here the processing between the two is quite different, and in some cases I prefer the P20 Pro’s results more.

On the Mate 20, the main camera is also a bit of a let-down. Here there’s no fancy sensor which can help it gain picture quality advantages. Unfortunately it lags behind most other phones in terms of dynamic range as well as detail. The processing was also problematic in some scenes, where there’s an evident noise reduction algorithm blurring out details and textures. It’s still a good and solid camera overall, but doesn’t manage to stand out compared to other high-end flagships.

The 2x telephoto lens of the Mate 20 is about on par with other phones, with again the drawback being less defined details that are seemingly caused by the image processing.

For both the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro, the standout features are meant to be the wide-angle camera modules.

For the Mate 20 Pro, this is a great hit and produces excellent images. Taking shots with much larger field of view is definitely a different type of experience, and is a great addition to the phones. The Mate 20 lags behind the Pro in terms of image quality, as its wide angle shots were always less exposed and offered less dynamic range. In terms of the competition, Huawei really only had to beat LG and its own game, and this it handily did. Unfortunately LG doesn’t seem to be fixing the image processing on the G7 any time soon, and while I didn’t have the V40 in this camera comparisons, it also largely shows the same issues as on the G7, with the Mate 20’s picture quality ending up being massively superior.

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  • tuxRoller - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    First, these phones are, at best, based on 4.14.
    Second, 4.20 is at least a month from release.
    Third, what's Intel got to do with an article about a Huawei phone?
  • GreenReaper - Sunday, November 18, 2018 - link

    They backported it to stable, too; but I agree, it's a little off-topic.
  • tuxRoller - Monday, November 19, 2018 - link

    OK. Not sure what happened to my comment...
    4.19 will, (very) likely, be the next base for aosp. So yes, currently that's stable. Of greater issue is that I see this patch being reverted (though something is going to get pulled). That was why I mentioned that 4.20 still has a month (or more) until it's released.
  • Beararam - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    https://threader(dot)app/thread/1051204370543648770

    ?
  • Sanyogita - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    I know NOMU has been working on rugged phones for a long time, and this time the new product looks great and has a high level of protection.
    https://nomu.hk/
  • stanere - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    >also finally Huawei’s first phone to push beyond 1080p

    honor 8 pro and mate 9 pro had 2560x1440 screen
  • asfletch - Sunday, November 18, 2018 - link

    Yep - and the Mate 10, which Andrei clearly has access to (official specs: https://consumer.huawei.com/au/phones/mate10/specs... Rest of the review was great, but odd oversight there.

    Incidentally, does Mate 20 not have the CABC issue? I remember the Mate 10 (LCD) suffering from it.... It's unfortunate about Huawei's CABC/calibration issues, because when I actually look at the Mate 20 in stores here, the screen is superficially very impressive. I don't know whether it's the lamination process or glass treatment or something, but IMHO icons/text really look 'printed on' in a way which eludes most other phone screens. M20 Pro has similar quality in this regard to my eyes, but I can't deal with curved screen edges.

    (As an aside, a flat Galaxy S9 would have been my ideal phone and I was disappointed when the S9 Active was cancelled. These Mates and other top contenders are just huge).
  • Dan86 - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    Looks impressive, but, we shouldn't be buying Chinese crap, made by stealing intelectual property, cloning the note 9, and to make everything worst they will spy on you and store your data in a country were privacy doesnt exist due to the government power over companies, do you really want to buy this phone ???
  • halcyon - Saturday, November 17, 2018 - link

    Why shouldn't we? All companies steal IP (read Snowden's revelations, how NSA backdoors are used for industrial espionage). Chinese are not different. And USA/NSA read all your emails, SMS, listen on your phone doors and backdoor your Android phones.

    Just buy a phone that you are happy with. Leave the nationalistic politics for everybody else to decide (many nationalities, many points-of-view).

    I'd buy Huawei Mate 20X, IF they allowed bootloader unlocking AND IF it was availabe in the 8GB/256GB model outside China (it is not).

    The nano memory card is a proprietary joke at 128GB (current) max size, imho.

    And lack of 3.5mm headphone on the Mate20Pro totally kills it for me.

    Spying I couldn't care less about - there's nothing I can do abou it, whether on Samsung, Pixel, LG, Xiaomi or other device. Only if I buy a fully unlocked, rootable phone where I install LineageOS custom ROM (with crap camera drivers) can I *maybe* avoid some snooping. Even then, all the Google apps spy on me.

    So, choose your poison, but don't expect that others are not poison too.
  • shompa - Sunday, November 18, 2018 - link

    Dear Dan86. You are what's called a real racist. BTW: you know that every single phone is MADE in China? There are no fabs in US/EU. Intellectual property is a construct. You should ask why all this stuff is not made in your country (and I can give you a hint: it have nothing to do with the workforce like the politicians/companies says)

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