Conclusion

With these pieces I wanted to see what’s possible with the Exynos 9810. There’s definitely still room for improvement; I’m still sure a properly tuned WALT configuration like on the Snapdragon 845 S9 or the Pixel 2 would further improve the performance or battery life of the Exynos S9. I didn’t want to go down that rabbit hole for a custom kernel, for now the improved PELT changes are just as good as it reasonably gets.

One thing I did discover is the performance discrepancy between the M3 and Kryo 385 when it comes to synthetic benchmarks versus some of the web benchmarks. While 1794 MHz is enough to match the A75-based CPU cores of the Snapdragon in GeekBench or SPEC, I wasn’t able to match the higher performance in the web benchmarks unless I raised the clocks to around 2.3GHZ. I can now dismiss software as being the main culprit here, and instead there’s more fingers pointing at the micro-architecture of the M3. This has some relatively big repercussions as it begs the question of what kind of workload is actually more representative of overall Android smartphone use-cases.

The above graphic is my best guess on what the performance/power curves look like. These are based on scheduler cost tables, voltage curves and correlations to actual measured power on certain points. The big question here is what is the actual representative positioning between the two architectures in terms of performance? As we saw in part 1, the M3 can win on average in workloads such as SPEC at the same performance points as the S845. However to reach the higher performance of the 845 in web workloads we need to raise the clocks, and this of course would shift the efficiency curves around with a much bigger favour towards the Arm cores. The average is probably somewhere in-between, and Arm and Samsung hopefully have a more complete view in terms of workload characterization.

What is indisputable is that the M3 lags behind in the lower frequency states. Here, Samsung’s cores just stop scaling further down in voltage after 1170MHz, while the Snapdragon and Arm cores' power curves are just a lot steeper. Again the absolute difference is arguable depending on workloads, be it 25% or 100%. Unfortunately at this point we’re talking about insurmountable physics and there’s just no software optimisation which will overcome this.

In the end the Exynos S9 was hampered on two fronts: one being just a very unoptimised BSP (Board support package; kernel, drivers, etc) by S.LSI (With the Mobile Division also possibly being a factor), particularly the seemingly senseless chasing of higher synthetic benchmarks scores such as GeekBench. which in turn backfired very badly in any real-world workloads. Qualcomm provided Samsung with an excellent baseline BSP on the S845 S9’s – so for S.LSI not being able to do the same is just unfortunate.  The other front where the Exynos S9 was hampered was that the M3 just seems oversized and power hungry, and it can’t sufficiently act as the efficient workhorse for general workloads. Compounding problems, this comes at a cost of battery life. Here there’s just a lot more to be done to fix the efficiency and the performance discrepancy relative to Arm’s cores.

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  • Quantumz0d - Sunday, April 22, 2018 - link

    If you see part 1, EX developer Flar, has an Elemental X custom kernel with the traditional hotplugging (which Andrei removed for EAS) from Samsung but tweaked.
  • flar2 - Sunday, April 22, 2018 - link

    I'm testing Andrei's changes
  • bairlangga - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link

    I used to rely on xda dev for any performance thinkering and trigger the knox (on samsung) but now anand had them too. Wow. Hopefully you will cook some custom rom there andrei since i saw your username too =)
  • krumme - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link

    A historical milestone and future benchmark in tech journalism.
  • aryonoco - Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - link

    I'm really worried if Andrei continues this, he'll go the same way Brian and Anand went.
  • ballsystemlord - Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - link

    Spelllling errrrors:
    Therefor my subjective experience of the phone being so fast...
    Aught to be:
    Therefore my subjective experience of the phone being so fast...

    If you know an individual task’s load, then you can make batter scheduling decisions on which CPU cores to place it.
    Aught to be:
    If you know an individual task’s load, then you can make better scheduling decisions on which CPU cores to place it.
  • Rοb - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Your Samsung Galaxy S9+ (SD845) scores are too low across the board, except for "Video Editing" which scored slightly higher than my phone.

    Did you charge your phone, put in 'Peformance Mode' (HD+), AND remove the case before running the benchmarks?
  • Cattepie - Wednesday, May 2, 2018 - link

    Hey, i'm going to switch from iphone 6s to samsung s9, but i live in europe, and i heard very bad about the european s9.Is there any possibility that samsung would fix this thing?
  • RagnarAntonisen - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link

    Seems like Exynos is quite a way behind Snapdragon which is quite a way behind Apple.
  • corwin_amber - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link

    Andrei, thanks a lot for your great review.
    Would you mind revisiting it with the new update of the B-Train (BRE5 and upwards)? It seems snappier afterwards.

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