First Thoughts

Mobile SoCs are packed with specialized processors: CPU, GPU, high-performance DSP (compute), low-power DSP (sensor hub), modem DSP (signal processing), ISP (image processing), fixed-function blocks (video, audio), etc. And while all of these pieces contribute to the overall user experience, some of them are difficult to quantify. The CPU and GPU remain vital to device performance and battery life, so it’s still important to probe their capabilities.


Chip Sizes Accurate to Scale

Our initial testing shows that Snapdragon 835’s Kryo 280 CPU is an octa-core, big.LITTLE configuration with four semi-custom A73 “performance” cores and four semi-custom A53 “efficiency” cores. Kryo 280’s performance cores are pretty much equivalent to Kirin 960’s A73 cores in both integer and floating-point IPC, but comparing them to Snapdragon 820’s Kryo CPU shows mixed results: integer IPC improves but floating-point regresses.

In our limited system testing, the Snapdragon 835’s IPC gains outweigh its losses, providing better overall performance than the Snapdragon 820/821 phones. Unsurprisingly, the Snapdragon 835 MDP/S matched the performance of the Mate 9’s Kirin 960, which may not sound all that exciting, but considering our positive experience with the Mate 9, it’s certainly not bad either.

Qualcomm continues to push hard into VR/AR, not just with smartphones but stand-alone HMDs too. The high resolution and low latency requirements for these experiences suddenly make the GPU a bottleneck once again. The Snapdragon 835’s updated Adreno 540 GPU, through a combination of microarchitecture tweaks and a higher peak operating frequency, is another evolutionary step along the VR path, delivering a 25% peak performance boost over Snapdragon 820’s Adreno 530.

As noted earlier, all of these results came from pre-production hardware and software that’s under Qualcomm’s control, so performance could still go up or down once retail units begin shipping; however, based on these preliminary numbers and feature additions, the Snapdragon 835 looks like a solid evolutionary upgrade over the S820. The one glaring omission in this initial assessment, though, is power efficiency, which is critical to both battery life and sustained performance. The potential power savings from the move to 10nm and the CPU swap could have a larger impact on user experience than the small performance gains and new features.

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  • oranos - Wednesday, March 22, 2017 - link

    people just create self driven narratives to support their own bias. there is no rationality in most of these comments
  • Mario9290 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    QUALCOMM PROCESSORS ARE GARBAGE. WHY WE HAVE TO PAY FOR AN INFERIOR HANDSET WHEN COMES TO SAMSUNG? I STILL HAVE AN S6 EDGE PLUS 64GB. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH. BUT IF SAMSUNG THINKS IMY GONNA BUY A CRAPPIE S8 PLUS WITH QUALCOMM SNAPDRAGON INSIDE . BETTER THINK AGAIN. QUALCOMM IS CRAPPIE ALL THE WAY. I DON'T CARE IF QUALCOMM PEOPLE DIES OF HUNGER. I EXPECT A QUALITY AND HIGH PERFORMANCE HANDSET. SO S8 PLUS WITH SAMSUNG EXYNOS 8895 IS THE ONE I WANT. STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINST U.S.CONSUMERS. OR FUCK SAMSUNG.
  • regis440 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    "I’ve noticed that GPU frequency remains close to idle.." should not be CPU?
  • Matt Humrick - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    The sentence is correct. Part of the workload is run on the GPU.
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    So Matt, Ryan, what were actual GB4 ST and MT scores?
  • Diji1 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    TL;DR, but the first sentence shows you don't understand what bench marking is used for so who cares.
  • darkchazz - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    I just ran geekbench 4 on my Nexus 9 and it's getting higher values than the SD835 in most of the integer and floating point tests.
    These Denver cores are begging to be put in a smaller efficient FinFet node.
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    Sadly I think Nvidia are concentrating on computing for cars over tablet/Chromebook chips. Better returns I guess.
  • Holliday75 - Thursday, March 23, 2017 - link

    Recommendation for the comments section. Have the comments section automatically change the word loose to lose. It would correct quite a few grammar mistakes.
  • Shadowmaster625 - Friday, March 24, 2017 - link

    I love how the 835 looks so good until you stick an almost 2 year old iphone onto the chart. RIP.

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