Zune 80, Cont

Ultimately deciding on the value of the Zune comes down to how well it performs its tasks. When it comes to the Zune as a music player, the issues we have with it are minor in practice, and not the kind of showstopper issues that some people have had with the original Zune. Although with the presence of the larger screen you'd correctly assume Microsoft is focusing on more than just music here, Microsoft hasn't made the mistake of neglecting usability of Zune for music, and as such we're generally happy with it when it comes to playing music. If you're the kind of person that isn't bothered by the minor UI/control hang-ups, then you're going to find that the Zune is as easy to use and as effective as any other MP3 player we're looking at today.

On the technological side, we find that Microsoft's choice of format support is odd. On top of MP3 support it adds Microsoft's own WMA (lossy), WMA lossless, and is still one of the few players that supports the latest and greatest MPEG audio format, AAC. On the other hand it doesn't support WAV (admittedly useless, but still...) and audio book users will be disappointed to find out it doesn't support Audible, the de-facto source for audio books. Here the Zune joins the small club of only a few high-profile devices that don't support Audible's format, and this isn't something we'd expect. The Zune store has some audio books, but nothing comes close to Audible's collection at the moment. There's no Vorbis/FLAC support either, not that we'd expect it but it never hurts to mention how nice it would be.

There's also one final downside with the Zune here: there's no equalizer. This isn't a big deal for us personally, we don't find the need for the function on our MP3 players, but there's a good chance we're in the minority here. If you absolutely need an equalizer (although we digress and say you need better earbuds) then you're not going to want the Zune.

On the final upside however, the Zune does something Apple has avoided doing for the entire life of the iPod line and includes an FM radio tuner. Much like the equalizer, we don't see a need for FM radio since the audio quality is inherently inferior to a good audio file, but we can't find any faults in including it. FM tuners are small and easy on the power consumption, so for those users who for whatever reason want to be able to listen to the radio as easily as they listen to their other music, that option is open with the Zune.

Moving on, we have the video functionality of the Zune, one of the unit's real strong points in design. The UI for video is every bit as competent as it is for audio, which means Microsoft only needs to deliver on the hardware to make a solid combination. This is where Microsoft and Apple have diverged some, the iPod Classic isn't focused on video even though it has the ability, meanwhile the Zune is. The 3.2" 320x240 is big enough to be comfortable to watch videos on and it has no problem being bright enough to do so without any eye strain. We'll talk more about the screen later in our benchmarking section, but for now we'll say we're happy with it.

For the Zune 80 the technical side of its video abilities received a massive boost; the original Zune initially only supported Microsoft's WMV video, which for obvious reasons was a poor idea. This time around the Zune 80 supports MPEG-4 Simple Profile and H.264 along with WMV, with their associated standard-defined containers. Like the iPods it supports video resolutions in excess of the screen for compatibility purposes, but also like the iPods it's going to be a waste if you're encoding your own videos.

Finally, in sharp contrast to Apple's decision to add PIM functionality and games to the iPods to round out the devices, Microsoft has gone in a completely different direction with the Zune Social aspect of the device. For those not familiar with this functionality from the original Zune, as the Zune features a WiFi radio it has the ability to communicate with other Zunes in the immediate area. With this ability it can send songs (3 play limit), photos, and podcasts to other Zunes it sees. Microsoft's vision for this functionality is a (meatspace) community where users are sending each other songs, in effect helping each other find new songs by sharing what they like.

While we'd like to comment on the WiFi social aspect of the Zune, the lack of another Zune prevents us from doing so. We don't have another Zune in our possession and we haven't found another Zune (with its WiFi abilities turned on) to test this ability with, so we can only speak of it in theory. Our gut reaction is that this is a waste of battery power to leave the WiFi radio turned on (then again, perhaps we're not hip enough?) but we can't put our theory to the test to solidly judge it.

The other aspect of Zune Social, new with the Zune 80, is a social website approach to sharing music. Similar to MySpace and the like, users can create accounts, see what other people are listening to, and then make comments or recommendations about the music and purchase it for themselves if it's in the Zune store's catalog. We'll be frank here and say that we're not impressed with this aspect of it. Specialized communities are nice, but between the self-limiting issues of only being useful for discussing music and then only for Zune owners, and because there's already a flood of social networking sites, this comes across as very me-too of Microsoft. Since this isn't a feature of the Zune hardware there's nothing being drug down, it's just not a useful addition to the Zune experience.

Moving on to the design of the Zune, one of the major complaints about the original Zune was how big it was (.58" thick), a necessity for the larger screen, WiFi radio, and battery. The Zune has gone on a diet, and for the Zune 80 it's down to .50" thick. In this case we consider .50" the magic number for thickness; anything bigger is going to be too thick and will probably give us problems protruding if we aren't putting it in a baggy pocket, while .50" is just small enough that it passes our tests. It's still .09" thicker than the similarly designed 80GB iPod Classic, so for those absolutely worried about thickness but still want a hard drive, they may be turned off by the extra bulk.

Perfectionists sick of chrome backs on their MP3 players will be happy to find that the Zune uses a brushed aluminum back, which means it isn't the fingerprint or scratch magnet that is the iPod. The only downside to this is that it makes the Zune feel deceptively less-than-sturdy. The aluminum back is plenty strong, but on first picking it up it doesn't exude the same "this is a solid metal back" that the iPods do. On the whole the Zune 80 is every bit as solid of a design as the rest of the MP3 players we're looking at today; we don't have any concerns with it breaking.

Wrapping things up, we have the grab bag of everything else that doesn't fit in to another category. We'll start with earbuds, a sore subject for us when it comes to the iPods. With the Zune, Microsoft clearly gets the idea that users don't want to or won't purchase separate earbuds for their MP3 player, as they include a set of remarkable "premium" earbuds with the Zune 80. Not only is the audio quality of these earbuds immediately superior to that of the iPod earbuds, but these are in a canalphone style using rubber fittings to hold the earbuds to the ear. This blocks out some outside noise and does a great deal to keep the earbuds inside of your ears, our biggest problem with the iPod earbuds. Audiophiles still won't be impressed but otherwise these are great earbuds that most users won't feel the need to replace, and a solid example of the kind of earbuds that should be coming with a high-end MP3 player.

On a less positive note, we're disappointed with how the Zune is interfaced with a host computer. Like the iPod Touch, it's a device that requires a driver to be recognized by the operating system and used, which brings about the same OS-agnostic problems as with the Touch. Microsoft had the sense to support 64bit versions of Windows out of the box, but not Linux or the Mac. It would behoove Microsoft to get the Zune working on the Mac as Apple's market share continues to grow (particularly with laptops).

Unfortunately the driver issues also means that the Zune can't immediately be used as a portable hard drive, which is a much bigger deal for the Zune than it was for the much smaller Touch. An 80GB hard drive is huge, using a MP3 player with such great capacity as a portable hard drive is something that you'll never find on a spec sheet but is something we believe many owners are definitely going to want to do. While we can use a registry hack to enable disk mode, we still need the driver installed and the registry edited on each computer we want to interface the Zune with; it's a very impractical solution. The Zune should have a native USB mass storage device mode like the iPod (even if drivers would still be required to do anything else with the Zune), it's appalling that it lacks this.

Last, we feel Microsoft is really failing to grasp what they can do with WiFi here, even more than Apple with the Touch. We're absolutely thrilled that we can wirelessly sync the Zune, and we're absolutely confused as to why that and media sharing are all we can do. Since the Zune isn't built with the kind of controls or the kind of hardware needed to be a full PDA we aren't expecting a lot, but it has FM radio support but no internet radio support? And what about wireless access to the Zune social service or the Zune marketplace? Even though Apple now has a product with WiFi support this still could be something that could help further set apart the Zune from the iPod Classic, but Microsoft missed their chance here.

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  • Drazic - Saturday, October 25, 2008 - link

    I have my Zune 80GB for 3 years now. It has never been broken and the screen is still in good shape! The Zune is very easy to use, has wonderful music and the quality is very good. Of Course there are not a lot of European people who have the Zune, lucky me:)So they can't compare at all. Even though the people are saying that more of the population in the VS has the Mac Note Book I most say that all the people that I know, friends, college's,either way don't even want the Mac Note Book. They rather choose for an HP or a Toshiba!:) Simple because you don't have to buy of put pro gramme's on the computer that's only from Mac. Honestly!? The Toshiba & HP's are more beautiful. What's in a name!? (careless, it's only the brand)
  • charlie brown - Wednesday, April 2, 2008 - link

    If anandtech are going to use an audio analyser, shouldn't they understand the values and equipment they are measuring? As a professional audio engineer I find their conclusions disturbing...

    Why haven't you published numbers for THD +noise etc - you just draw your own conclusions from some 0.0... percentage?

    All players frequency response is +/-dB from 0-20kHz. These are all excellent when you understand the freq response of a headphone - even top of the range sennheisers. How can you possibly describe one player response as very good/excellent etc?! You would NOT hear the difference whatsoever.

    What possible difference does -100/-110/-120 signal to noise ratio really make for an mp3 player?? (audibly - absolutely none) these are all excellent.

    "Earbuds generally lack bass due to their size"
    This is only half the story, they perform better with good coupling to the ear (im sure youve pushed some phones into your ear and heared the bass improve?).

    Have you guys ever stopped to think that you are reviewing an MP3 player? The nature of MP3 (being an audio compression developed from the 1980's) is that it is a LOSSY compression. THE ENCODING WILL DEGRADE THE SOUND QUALITY MORE THAN THE PLAYER EVER WILL, EVEN AT HIGH BITRATES.

    Why doesn't anandtech throw them on the ground and record which one breaks the easiest - i mean this is more useful than the conclusions taken in your audio test.

  • abpages - Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - link

    Feature wise the Zune 80 kills the Ipod.

    Also, the ipod has video out, but can't outpid it's interface.
    The Zune can. This might not seem like a big deal, but if you ever want to hook this up to a tv or in my case a LCD in my Car it is fantastic. No looking down at the device to choose song (and possible crashing j/k), everything is on the screen all the menus.

    I own both and the new Zune has it this time.

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  • Heatlesssun - Sunday, January 27, 2008 - link

    I bought two Zune 80’s at Christmas, one for the wife and one for me, and they are great devices. I want to address two criticisms in this review. One, the Zune Pass is very cool. At $15 a month one can get one album versus thousands. If you know what you’re doing, subscriptions models like Zune Pass offer better value.

    Secondly, I think this review makes too much out of the lack of TV and movies on Zune Market place. There are so many ways to get content these days that it’s funny. Heck, if you’ve cable TV, there’s a source right there, and you’re not paying for the content again, which is cool.

    Really, a person just needs a good set of transcoding software, that frees a person from being tied to any one content source.
  • 9nails - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link

    Want an external speaker? Perhaps you need an additional USB cradle? Do you need a carry case? Or maybe you would like a car adapter kit? How about a screen protector to save that investment?

    All of these things are easier to find on an iPod Accessory shelf. But the Zune shelf is shockingly bare. Perhaps the case or a new set of (universal) headphones is all that you can find for the Zune. For me, more than anything, the availability of accessories was a major decision maker in the search for an MP3 player. My second major factor was cost. Third was storage capacity. And least significant was battery life.
  • NewBozo - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link

    Be sure to get an Archos 605 Wi-Fi for future media player reviews. It is much less expensive than anything you reviewed here, has drag and drop capabilities and can surf the web and stream video over the built in wi-fi. It is amazing!

    ...newbozo
  • rcbm1970 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link

    "Did you know that 60 per cent of Americans received gift vouchers for Christmas? We didn’t either, but that’s just fuel for Anand Techie’s latest Ipod vs. Zune dissertation (squeezed into 10 pages). It’s a bit of a one-sided argument with iIpod coming out smelling like roses and Zune always the close-secnd-but-never-first. Get your Apple-certified endorsement here."
  • Nitram49 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - link

    Dude! I own a Iaudio X5, Ipod Shuffle(Garbage) and an Ipod Nano. Every chance I get I use the X5 because there is no comparison in sound to the Ipod's. With the ability to tweak the sound and produce some serious bass it can't be beat. I mean with my JBL reference 220 or AKG k-81 DJ I can walk around with so much bass that it is impressive, and then if needed flatten it right out with a plethora of controls(EQ,BBE,...,). Nothing beats the HDD capabilities of an X5. I heard the D2 and I can't imagine how you let a chance to review that slip through your hands in a comparison. Also my friend just got an Iaudio 7. wow. Give those dudes at Cowon a listen and you tell me if I'm wrong.
  • TedKord - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - link

    IMO, if you're looking for an MP3/video portable player, you shouldn't be looking at either MS or Apple. I had a Cowon A2 which blew my friend's Ipod classic away in every respect (video/sound quality, format compatibility, features) except HD size. It was also better than the Zunes I've tried, though I've not tried the newer generation extensively. Another thing that should be mentioned with the Ipod is iTunes. I hate that program, it made me load QT, and everytime I disable the autoload for QT, it reenables when my daughter uses iTunes for her Nano 3G. Plus, they made me sign up with a crdit card to enable album art. With the A2, I just dragged and dropped my existing mp3, flac and ogg music right to it - no reencode or anything. Same with the divx/xvid movies I already had - drag, drop, watch.

    The iPod Touch is a cool device, but more for it's interface than it's video/audio quality.
  • michael2k - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - link

    Why do you hate your daughter? It sounds like you need to get her a computer of her own if you don't want her to synch her Nano (and thus re-enabling QuickTime, which is used for AAC encoding for iTunes if she's ripping music) to your PC.

    Besides which, why do you want to manually load and unload your MP3 player? The whole point of computers is to do the tedious things for us (such as ripping, tagging, organizing, and synching). Your daughter, with iTunes, only has to plug and go. If she has more music than the Nano can fit, it will auto-select her favorite music, or she can select (checkbox style) her favorite playlists, or manually (if she wishes to be like dad) to drag and drop songs and playlists to her Nano.

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