Final Words
A TV Tuner card is a nice addition to any multimedia PC, and the NVIDIA DualTV MCE is a cut above most tuners because of its ability to record two sources at once. We especially like the fact that they do the signal splitting internally, rather than having two CATV inputs. The card is easy to install and sets up in a few minutes with Windows MCE. Of course, part of the advantage is that MCE practically sets itself up by auto scanning for the TV signal and then downloading the program guide for your specific area and cable service, letting you watch and record your favorite shows in no time.Not only is it nice to be able to record and archive as much video as your hard drive will allow, but having control over details like video quality are nice as well. On top of this, with a PC TV Tuner, the video that you capture can be edited and manipulated in limitless ways for projects ranging from home movies, show movie montages for creative purposes, or simply editing out commercials or unwanted scenes from your recordings. You can also burn the completed content to a DVD if you so choose. This is something that is just not possible with a service like TiVo, at least not without using a PC to do all the extra stuff.
Something we see as a bit of a drawback is that the DualTV MCE is marketed towards Windows XP MCE users to fully realize the card's potential, and you will need to purchase this version of Windows separately. However, the DualTV MCE does work with free (and not so free) TV tuner applications like SageTV, BeyondTV and Yahoo Go! for those without Windows MCE. The fact that the DualTV MCE is only marketed toward people with the Windows MCE is a bit odd, and we feel that they should perhaps offer a bundle package with the card and MCE, and even better would be the inclusion of a standalone application for viewing/recording in other versions of Windows.
As always, price will play a big role in which TV tuner is right for you, so lets look at this aspect for a moment. Right now, the DualTV MCE is being offered at the list price of $169 on the NVIDIA store website. This about twice as much as the ATI Theater 550 Pro, which is on the market for around $80. You could technically have two of these cards installed and recording at the same time to simulate what the DualTV MCE does, but it may be less than practical given the space it would take up on your motherboard (especially if building a small HTPC box). The Theater 550 Pro is an excellent TV tuner solution for those only needing to record one channel at a time, but we think the freedom of being able to record/watch an extra source makes the DualTV MCE worth the extra money.
For those who want to do some gaming but don't want any extra PCI slots used up in their system, one of ATI's AIW cards might be the right choice. The prices range from about $100 to $400 depending on what kind of graphics performance you want, but you will still only be able to record a single TV signal with these cards. You also run into the potential problem of losing the TV recording aspect if you have to upgrade your graphics card -- and given the rate at which GPUs are updated, that will probably happen within 18 months or less.
Separate TV tuner cards will ultimately be more versatile than an AIW when building a multimedia system, because they can be used in both gaming and non-gaming systems. This fact along with the dual recording capabilities of the NVIDIA DualTV MCE make it one of the best choices for those interested in buying a high quality TV tuner solution, especially for those with Windows MCE. About the only other competing dual-tuner solution we'd consider right now is the Hauppauge PVR-500. In terms of cost, online prices are slightly cheaper than the DualTV, but we expect similar pricing from the NVIDIA card once it hits the retail market, and at that point it's basically a tossup.
It's nice to know that there are alternatives to the cable companies' standard recording "services" like TiVo. These TV tuner cards provide the same service with more flexibility for those with computers, without an added monthly subscription fee. We predict that more people will be interested in integrating their TV and PC in the future, and cards like the NVIDIA DualTV MCE make this an attractive prospect for PC owners in the present.
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thehum - Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - link
NOT TRUE. Since Spring 2005 ATI released a new MMC plus encoder which allowed AIW cards (9600 and newer) to be used as a tuner in Windows MCE. However, the enocoder they updated to was software based and caused a delay in the video in MCE as opposed to earlier versions of ATI MMC. Using the Analog tuner with the MMC software the channel change time was less than a second. However, using the card in Windows MCE Caused the channel change time to double to around 2 seconds. As others said, what a poorly written review.
CapnBry - Friday, May 26, 2006 - link
I'm much more than a HTPC enthusiast, having contributed to the PVR-150/500 driver for Linux as well as MythTV. For me quality is a big issue with these tuner cards and the main thing that can distinguish one card from the other. The review was more of a stating of the obvious-- it has 2 tuners, you can use MCE2005, it records video.I'd love to see more information such as:
-- Framegrabs from videos taken from the exact same source at the same time. I've a couple on my 250/150 comparison page http://capnbry.net/~bmayland/fi/pvr150/">http://capnbry.net/~bmayland/fi/pvr150/
-- Difficult content. The card touts its 3D comb filtering, show some content featuring high frequency luma to see how bad the rainbows are, show some content with sharp horizonatal edges to see if there is luma sparkles.
-- How bad does the video get if your source is noisy?
-- Compare the arguably most popular card on the market, the PVR-500.
-- PureVideo: How many of the features listed are only available if you have a GeForce 7xxx card?
-- MediaSqueeze: Real world quality/speed of the MPEG-4 encoding. Can you record directly to MPEG4 if you're only using one tuner?
dettociao - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - link
Well, I won't be buying this card for awhile-- at least till I find a decent review.crim - Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - link
HTPCnews will be posting theirs in a week or so, I know the guy who's reviewing and I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with the DualTV tuner, I'm going to have to get one.barnie - Monday, May 22, 2006 - link
Please take this off the site, rewrite it and post it again.Not only is it incomplete, it is full of very questionable statements. The whole concept of the article is very flawed. Since you're not using Windows MCE for the AIW (since you say it does not work) and it would appear (nowhere stated!) that you do use MCE for the other two cards, how can you compare the cards, as you claim? For TV tuners the software and its configuration makes the biggest difference, so make sure you are using the same thing!
For this article to make any sense whatsover, address the following points:
-- remove the AIW and use a Hauppauge PVR500MCE instead
-- stick to Windows MCE, or choose another piece of software that works with all cards
-- rethink your channel switching time statement. It's meaningless under MCE (almost all delay is caused by MCE itself). You will need other software if you want to compare the delays caused by the cards (e.g. it is possible to play console games with Theatre 550 configured appropriately). Again, that other software needs to be the same for all cards.
-- the useless screenshots (cannot compare an essentially blank screen to a room full of stuff, both compressed probably at the same bitrate). Install two of the cards in the same machine, give them the same signal (after an amplifier and splitter), and take screenshots of both together (something like this: http://tv-plugin.com/temporaries/haup_saph_mcm_com...">PVR-150 vs. Theatrix). If this is too difficult for you to perform, use two computers! The screenshots NEED to have text in them.
modsci - Sunday, May 21, 2006 - link
Not much of a review I agree and to use some of the cards they did as well just seems foolish. ATI does NOT have a good reputation in many TV card forums due to software issues or just plain no support for some cards they put out. Hauppauge does well in Europe but falls short in the US when compared to Leadtek. WinTV 2000 is one of the most user UNfriendly apps out, shortcut keys are macros not single keys and their remote works when it wants to even with constant reinstallation of drivers. ATI's PQ has never been what I would want to watch for very long and their cards are constantly recording even with live tv.If you want easy to use hassle free tv on the comp then if you live in the US get Leadtek if you live in Europe seems Hauppauge works better. Windows MCE is just a very restrictive version of XP home that adds limitations on recordings and codecs sure it has a nice interface for those who prefer America Online to a regular ISP but it's disadvantages out weigh any of the very few advantages if any it has. HD TV is not going to happen anytime soon for a pc unless you live in a metro area say 30 miles or less from transmitter, yes there are QAM cards but you will only get the local OTA digital channels and perhaps 2 or 3 others, certainly not worth the $150-$300 or more for just the card.
Now before you go off on me about this you should know I build computers, I put TV cards in just about all of them and I've installed the following, NVidia Personal Cinema, ATI AIW, Hauppuage PVR 150, Compro Videomate Gold +, Leadtek PVR2000, Leadtek TV2000XP Expert and Deluxe, Avermedia 878, Prolink Playtv pro ultra, Prolink TV box, MSI VOX usb, Dvico FusionHDTV 5 RT Gold. I've used the boys as test subjects and they always harp to get their Leadtek back, people who've had the leadtek outside the home don't seem to call back, those who have anything else call.
Should you want info on TV cards how to solve issues and some reviews I'll give a sight here and hopefully since it's not directly competing with AT they will leave it up www.tv-cards.com, I've found answers there along with interesting 3rd party apps for TV, most of which look oddly alot like MCE but don't have the codec and recording restrictions imposed by MCE.
Trisped - Monday, May 22, 2006 - link
My AIW constantly records, but that is so I can pause and rewind live TV. I use to not have this set up (back with Multi Media center 8) and have also set it up with out any space to save on the hard drive.I have had large problems with the ATI software, but 95% of them were because they don't support Hyper Threading, so I have to turn it (Hyper Threading) off or the TV player freezes. Does anyone know if this is a problem with dual core processors?
Trisped - Sunday, May 21, 2006 - link
So how does it out perform Pro? Most OS performance is rated in the options available, since each new OS takes more RAM and processing power. So if MCE has more options, why don't the profession all apps run on MCE?JarredWalton - Sunday, May 21, 2006 - link
As I understand it, there are optimizations that have been made to the memory subsystem and disk controller sections of Windows Server 2003. Patching those into windows XP is rather difficult at this point in time, but MCE 2005 wasn't released until after Server 2003, so for whatever reason it gets the optimizations.So why doesn't everyone run Windows MCE? Are you willing to spend another $100 for every computer just to get a slight optimization? Do you think any businesses are interested in running "Media Center Edition"? You can ask Gary Key if you'd like more information on this, as he's the one who pointed it out to me. I believe most of the improvements really only show up in theoretical benchmarks, or in heavy disk access benchmarks. Given that MCE is supposed to handle video files really well, it would make sense for Microsoft to spend more time optimizing that portion of the OS.
JarredWalton - Sunday, May 21, 2006 - link
I forgot to mention this, but I believe MCE still doesn't have the ability to connect to a domain controller. For businesses, that's often a critical consideration, which is why most businesses use XP Pro instead of XP Home. (I could be wrong on the domain controller support, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.)