The IBM POWER8 Review: Challenging the Intel Xeon
by Johan De Gelas on November 6, 2015 8:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Reading the Benchmarks
There are a lot of benchmarks available that compare the IBM POWER8 to Xeons. One example is the Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) software SAP. We have used the Sales & Distribution 2 Tier benchmark many times because it is one of the very few benchmarks that is a very good representation of real world high-end enterprise workloads.
Now combine this with the benchmarks that IBM has compiled on their marketing slides and the fact that we know that the POWER8 chip has a TDP of 190W at nominal speed and 247W when running at "Turbo" clockspeeds.
It all seems very simple: the IBM POWER8 is a more power hungry chip but delivers much better performance. But as always you should take the time to read the benchmarks very closely. The IBM S824 is typically the one featured in the benchmarks. However, we are pretty sure that is not the system that will be able to sway the current Intel Xeon customers towards OpenPOWER. Nor are we convinced that the most widely reported benchmarks are accurately predicting the experience of those people.
There are three reasons for that. First of all, most of the benchmarks are run on AIX (7), IBM's own proprietary UNIX. AIX is a high performance, extremely robust OS, but it does not have the rich software system and support that Linux has. Furthermore even with their common design elements, an excellent Linux administrator will have to invest some time to get the same level of expertise in AIX. But more importantly, the S824 is a pretty expensive machine, both in acquisition cost (starting at $21.000, up to $60.000 and more) and energy cost. That kind of pricing lands the system in hostile and more powerful quad Xeon E7 territory.
Lastly, the S824 uses two CPU cards or Dual Chip Modules (DCM), each containing two six-core POWER8 modules at 3.5 GHz. Now consider that the third party OpenPOWER servers have 190/247W TDP 10-core 3.4 GHz POWER8 CPUs. The power consumption does not increase linearly as you add more cores and higher clocks. So the CPU modules found inside the S824 are definitely more power hungry, probably well above 250W.
There is more. Take a look at IBM "Scale-out" server, the more affordable server range of IBM servers. First, a bit of IBM server nomenclature which is actually quite logical and easy to decipher (take note, Intel marketing).
- S stands for "Scale-out"
- 8 stands for POWER8
- 1 or 2 is the number of sockets
- 2 or 4 is the height, expressed in rack Us.
So an S824 contains 2 sockets in a 4U chassis and a S812 is a one socket system. There is one designation left, : the "L" or Linux .
Notice that the non-L versions also support Linux, but a few months ago they supported only the Big Endian (BE) versions (the slide is from the beginning of this year). IBM told us that all POWER8 servers now support both Little Endian (LE) and BE Linux.
This is important since using an LE version (Ubuntu, SUSE) makes data migration from and data sharing (NAS, SAN) with an x86 system much easier, as x86 only supports LE.
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JohanAnandtech - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
Ok, Europe adopt the dot, but maybe the US can adopt the metric system like the rest of the world? :-)bitaljus - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
or better yet recode this site to see from what country u are visiting and use the appropriate denote thousands symbol, appropriate metric system and even time for the viewer. how meany time i was irradiated when i need to google something like this just to make it in local. and this is easy to do in the site natively. (P.S. Sorry for bad English, not native)nils_ - Wednesday, November 11, 2015 - link
The browser already sends a header with Accept-Language, which should be the preferred way to for the web site to determine locale. For example, I live in Germany so my browser will send en, en_UK, en_US, de and DE (this can be set somewhere in the settings). Now you can determine the language and other localisation based upon that, and there are tools where you can set the locale to then display dates, times etc.. based n that.Many sites instead use Geolocation based on the IP address, which can be really awkward when you travel to a country where you can't read the language.
ZeDestructor - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
Even within EU it's not consistent.. UK uses commas for thousands, dot for decimal (and that's why the US and most anglophone countries use the same setup), Germany, Netherlands and France on the other hand favour dots for thousands, commas for decimal, so you see it used there.. and in a great number of their former colonies where the language and culture has stuck.nils_ - Wednesday, November 11, 2015 - link
Dates / Time are even funnier, that's also extremely inconsistent and can be very misleading. Think for examle a date like 12/11/2015, in some countries it'll mean the 12th of November while in others it will mean the 11th of December, and sometimes even the 2015th of November in 11 AD ;)I remember reading on the GTA IV in-game "Internet" a travel guide to Europe that said the months here have 12 days but there are 30 months a year or something to that effect ;)
powchie - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
let Johan do more reviews. been reading his stuff from late 90's and consider him the best then followed by Anand.Ryan Smith - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
Trust me when I say that if I could whip Johan any harder and make him work any faster I would be doing just that.;-)juhatus - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
When the Balrog showed up for work he had everyone fired.ruthan - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
In summary should be something about software support, raw power is here, but software stack isvery limited.
PowerCPU is good for old legacy apps - SAP, Oracle etc.. but otherwise its dead end.
I would like to see comparision of IBM LPAR virtualization against Xeon Vmware solution, or Oracle / MySQL benchmark on power vs. Oracle benchmark on Xeon.
Server with Power even cant to run Crysis, or maybe some QEMU magic..
ruthan - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
Pleas Ad edit button like other civilized sites, i was hurry when i wrote it.