AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • nikaldro - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    "IT'S CORE COUNT I TELL YOU!!! NOW GO AND BUY THAT XEON E7! GREAT VALUE!!!!"
  • Crunchy005 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Outside of CPU results the Gaming results are all over the place. The 7700k beats out the 7870k sometimes and the APUs beat our the i5 at times. There is so much difference between games at the low end it's ridiculous.
  • Lolimaster - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Outside of some results I think the 7870K gpu boost is bottlenecked by DDR3 bandwith, how about testing the 7850K/7870K both with 2133 and 2400/2600 DDR3.
  • Pissedoffyouth - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Sorry to be a pain, but I think you meant GDDR5 rather than GDDR3 on the first page.
  • LarsBars - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Great review, great coverage. I've been looking over the smorgasbord of leaks for the past few weeks wondering what is real and what is fake. Thanks for your high standards in tech reporting.
  • Shadowmaster625 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Clearly there is something wrong, since a supposedly faster chip comes in slower on many benchmarks. Sunspider being the most egregious offender. Perhaps the instructions used in the sunspider benchmark cost a lot of power, which leads to even more pronounced throttling. At any rate, why is this throttling not mentioned in the article? What about the crazy high stock voltages? Very disappointing to say the least.
  • dreamcat4 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Regardless of the CPU it's the GTX 750ti you want and not the plain GTX 750.

    Also - there's no big issue to buy the Pentium if the CPU is socketed LGA1150. Then you can always upgrade it later on to something better / faster.
  • nikaldro - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Pentium + 750ti would cost quite a bit more than the APU, even considering a cheap H81 mobo
  • frozentundra123456 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Ehh, HD7770 has 25% more shaders than Kaveri, faster clock, and better bandwidth. So I would expect about 50% faster than Kaveri, and GTX750 (non-Ti) is still faster than HD7770. So 750 non-Ti is still a vast improvement over the igpu of Kaveri. If you are really budget limited and dont want a non-HT dual core, the Athlon X4 860k plus HD7770 or GTX750 will give far superior performance to an APU. Despite the repeated arguments in the gpu forums by AMD fans, you have to work really hard to construct a scenario in which an APU makes sense for gaming compared to a cheap cpu (pentuim, Athlon X4, or FX 6300) plus a hundred dollar discrete card.
  • dreamcat4 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Right. There are lower levels than the 750Ti. But it's always worth it and best to pay extra for 750Ti version. Because it's got a *significantly* better (non-marginal) price / performance ratio over the lower slots of GTX 750, 740, or 730. Making the 750Ti always best value choice amongst those.

    AMD APU only makes sense for certain low-to-midrange mobo upgrades. E.g. just upgrading only the mobo+CPU only. And regardless of that possibility the AMD is never going to be as power performant (the TDPs). Which does still matter, the fan noise, case thermals, throttling etc.

    The more other components you upgrade at same time (e.g. PSU, case, monitor etc). Then the less money is being saved with APU route = diminishing returns. And it's really not typical to 'just upgrade only the mobo+cpu' without also replacing other components too. Often monitor, storage, ram. So most times that puts all of these AMD APUs in some kind of a general 'grey area'. And that's being nice about it, ignoring both the higher TDP and also the poorer single-threaded performance.

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