AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • barleyguy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I have an HTPC in a tiny case (mini ITX and only a couple inches tall), powered by an A8-7600. For the price, form factor, and versatility (allows midrange gaming), I feel it was a really good choice.

    That said, I'm a little bit disappointed in this release, not so much because it's beaten in CPU benchmarks by a more expensive Intel that requires a larger case for a decent GPU, but because the 7870 isn't much faster than the A8-7600. It's more expensive and uses twice the power. (The A8-7600 has a 45W mode. It idles at less than 20 watts and peaks at about 60 watts for the whole system with an SSD.)

    Like others have said, I would love an FM2+ Carrizo. Hopefully that would bring noticeably higher performance at the 45W level.
  • TallestJon96 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    This isn't for me, but it seems like these APUs are growing better more quickly than any other CPU or GPU section. Power consumption is a bit high, but if you don't have a dedicated graphics card it definitely manageable.

    My biggest concern is the slow ram for graphics. This is tested on 2133 ram but the target audience for this will have 1333 or 1600... I'd like to know how much performance changes then.

    But it's pretty impressive for the price, and it should suit people who do web browsing, Netflix and light gaming extremely well.
  • barleyguy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I'm running 2133 on my A8-7600 HTPC. It was only about $10 extra for 4 GB. If the target audience is running 1333 or 1600, it's because they didn't know any better. IMO.
  • nikaldro - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    If that 2133Mhz RAM has horrible timings, you didn't solve much...
  • barleyguy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    It's CAS latency 9, 9-10-9-27, Corsair XMS. Nothing wrong with it.
  • Lolimaster - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Probably the best all around memory timming for an APU unless you find a really cheap 2600 cl11.
  • movax2 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I made a few calculations in Excel.

    Let's see.

    CPU's performance (Windows only: Office-Web + Pro) on average7870K is 0.11% faster than 7850K! Yes, less than 1%.

    GPU performance: +1.2%

    One word:

    disappointment.
  • Cryio - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    How did you make the calculations? Do you have on hand a 7870K and a 7850K? Not to mention 8 GBs of DDR3 2400 ram in dual channel?
  • DrMrLordX - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Many recent UEFI versions showing "support for Godavari/Kaveri refresh" overvolt the hell out of these chips. It's no wonder they were showing 117W draw. Some of these UEFI revisions are pushing 1.45v OR MORE!

    Older Kaveri chips (KA-V1) can do 3.9 ghz with only 1.2v on average. Newer ones (GV-A1; 7870k, 7670k, OEM 8500B) should be able to do it with less. There is NO WAY anyone should be pushing this kind of voltage. Some reviews have shown throttling to 1.6 GHz from the board/cpu being overloaded by sheer heat/power draw from these insane voltages (cpu-world, which updated their results with a new UEFI revision that backed voltage off to "only" 1.45v).

    There is obviously more work that needs to be done to bring voltage numbers down for stock and the various turbo states supported by this chip, as well as other Kaveri variants. In the meantime, anyone buying this chip should expect it to turn in better results than the 7850k AND do it with less voltage at the same clockspeed (or the same voltage for slightly higher clocks). Just tweak the voltages manually in the UEFI and things should work great.
  • Lolimaster - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Exactly, the extra voltage allowed by AMD goes mainly to the gpu part, 20% clocks.

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