AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • nikaldro - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    It's funny how most people don't know that they have 2000W washing machines, yet they whine about stuff like this.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Don't forget the vacuum cleaner amp wars.
  • RafaelHerschel - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    I don't have a washing machine in my livingroom or office and I don't use my washing machine as often as my PC's.

    Less power means less heat and less noise. It also means better performance in a (very) small case. It also means a more modest PSU.

    A fast i3 coupled with a GTX 960 in a Mini ITX case makes for small, potentially quiet system.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    CPUs and GPUs should have three ratings:

    1) Standby
    2) Average (when in use) (with an industry-wide set of benchmarks)
    3) Maximum (also industry-wide benchmarks)
  • barleyguy - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    My biggest energy usage is definitely climate control. I've switched to LED lightbulbs, and in my kitchen which was a flourescent grid, I'm using an LED rope light. But I have an 80,000 BTU natural gas heater, and 2000 watts worth of air conditioning. Those aren't on constantly since they use a thermostat, but the bulk of my utility bill is definitely represented there. My PVR computer is on 24 hours a day, but probably only represents a couple of dollars of energy usage.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    AMD FX 8320E, Gigabyte UD3P motherboard with 8 phase power and VRM sinks = 161.98 tax incl.

    Intel i5 4690, MSI Z97 PC Mate (cheap 3 phase + doubler) = $280.78 tax incl.

    difference = $118.8

    You can use that money to get a refurb EVGA 750 Ti 2 GB from Newegg and have three dollars and 80 cents left over to get an extra 120mm fan for your EVO cooler (which you would get with either processor... no one should use a stock cooler).

    Since that AMD processor and motherboard easily overclock to around 4.2 GHz on low voltage (1.27 - 1.3) with a moderate-quality cooler it would be very interesting to see the results in this article coupled with that "free" 750 Ti. Also, one can set the chip to "one core per module" in the BIOS of that motherboard in order to get much higher overclocks (higher voltage but much less heat output) for poorly-threaded applications like most games, which helps a bit to let the chip hang in there with an Intel i5, although you'll likely be GPU bound with a 750 Ti anyway.

    Even if you decide to use the stock cooler for the Intel you're still saving some money with the AMD combo -- unless you are going to pair your chip with an expensive GPU.
  • jann5s - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    am i the only one amazed by how Otten the 7870 is beat by the 7850???
  • jann5s - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Often*
  • Gigaplex - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    No, you're not the only one. And that's not the only AMD chip it loses to.
  • Cryio - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Yep. The results are way off. Both in CPU and GPU.

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