AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • akamateau - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    @Ian Cutress

    You last tested AMD A6-A10 using both Starswarm and #dMark API Overhead test.

    When you pulished those results it was determined that all AMD APU's A6-A10 outperform Inteel i3, i5 and i7 by 100% in drawcalls and frames per second.

    What was the 3dMark API Overhead for A10-7870K?

    How did it perform using Starswarm?

    You have those benchmarks why didn't you present them here?

    When I spend money I would like to know how the silicon will perform on using high performance software.

    Ignoring the impact of DX12 is absurd,

    Any new systems with AMD A10-7870K will be Windows 10 and the gaming will be either with Mantle or DX12.

    Users will tolerate DX11 only until the legacy games get ported to a better API.
  • frozentundra123456 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    What games do you suggest he test with DX12? Oh wait, there arent any. The few games tested with mantle showed minimal gains with an APU in real gaming preformance, not some artificial benchmark.
  • ToTTenTranz - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    DX12 performance may be predicted by testing a Mantle title.
  • 0VERL0RD - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpATnpx45BI
  • Lolimaster - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I hope they can actually bring Carrizo to the FM2+ platform.
  • Cryio - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Not happening.
  • savagemike - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Back in the day the idea of a 95 watt part didn't even make me blink twice. 'Like having a light-bulb on", I thought. Now - in the age of LED light-bulbs it makes me wince. The thought of it feels like leaving a faucet on with all the electricity running out, draining the well.
    LOL. Whatever the reason and how ever logical I simply wouldn't buy a 95 watt part today for general use. What is the point with so many parts pulling a fraction of that and perfectly able to handle day-to-day chores?
  • Lolimaster - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    If you really care about energy:

    -You and your family will use a towel not a hair dryer
    -You and your family will use bycicle, public transportation or simply walk (check nederlands)
    -Implies no car.
  • Gigaplex - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Do you have a point? I don't own a hair dryer and I use public transport. It's not exactly hard or uncommon.
  • Lolimaster - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    TDP does not mean power consumption, and the actual measures are with the cpu @full load both gpu/cpu. You don't run a cpu/apu full load 24/7.

    You can disable turbo and reduce power consumption (turbo ups the voltage by a fair margin).

    Electric kitchen, air conditioner, those things monthly multiply any cpu "tdp" consumption in the range of 100's.

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