Socket: FM2+

The new Kaveri processors are built to use the sort-of new FM2+ socket based motherboards. These motherboards fit both FM2+ and FM2 APUs, and thus have been on the market for a good number of months already. However the boards currently on the market may require a BIOS update, and e-tailers shipping motherboards out today may still have the older not-updated revisions in stock, so it is worth confirming that the motherboard you order is updated.

AMD’s generational split on Kaveri is indicative of market pressure and AMD’s history – users like either the processor or the motherboard to be forwards or backwards compatible in terms of compliance. In this case the following table applies:

Socket Compatibility Chart
  Will Work in FM2 Will Work in FM2+
Richland Yes Yes
Kaveri No Yes

As Kaveri comes with two extra pins that are blocked off with older FM2 motherboards, they are not compatible.

For our testing today, we had sourced the ASRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ and FM2A88X-ITX+ motherboards, both of which will be the focus for review in due course.

Chipset/FCH: A55, A78, A88X

To add some confusion into the mix, AMD is using a mixture of old and new chipsets on FM2+. Kaveri will support the A55, A78 and A88X chipset based motherboards, but not the A75 chipset that was used for Llano/FM1 motherboards. Perhaps more confusing is that while the old Richland APUs will be able to be used on FM2+ with A88X, the older FM2 motherboards will not come with A88X. How about a table to make it clearer:

Chipset Compatibility Chart
  Will Work with
Llano APUs
Will Work with
Trinity &
Richland APUs
Will Work with
Kaveri APUs
A55 + FM1 Yes No No
A55 + FM2 No Yes No
A55 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A75 + FM1 Yes No No
A75 + FM2 No Yes No
A78 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A85X + FM2 No Yes No
A88X + FM2+ No Yes Yes

Though even a table doesn't make the compatibility matrix crystal-clear, it does help to make sense of what users can expect for chipset and sock compatibility. Basically, any A88X motherboard you buy will fit the Kaveri APU. For A78, we are currently under the impression that these will be FM2+ only as well, just do not get confused with older ‘AMD 780L’ Northbridge chipsets that were advertised with A78 in the motherboard name that used the AM3 socket. A55 is almost a free-for-all, with FM1 and FM2 motherboards using it.

As for the differences between the older A85X and A88X chipsets, there are only a few to speak of. Support for PCIe 3.0 is the big one, with any FM2+ and A88X motherboard and Kaveri APU taking full advantage of PCIe 3.0 in all its glory, either as an x16 slot or an x8/x8. A88X still has eight 6 Gbps ports and four USB 3.0 ports native, as well as supporting RAID 0, 1, 5 and 10. The other only upgrade to note is the move to XHCI 1.0.

Chipset Comparison
  A55 A75 A78 A85X A88X
Chipsets FM1
FM2
FM2+
FM1
FM2
FM2+ FM2 FM2+
PCIe Generation 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 3.0
PCIe Lane Allocation 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 or 2x8
SATA 6/3 Gbps 0 + 6 6 + 0 6 + 0 (?) 8 + 0 8 + 0
USB Ports (3/2/1.1) 0 + 14 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 (?) 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2
RAID 0, 1, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10
TDP 7.6 W 7.8 W 7.8 W ? 7.8 W 7.8 W ?

Unusually for AMD, little information about chipset evolution was provided through the normal channels.

What about FX CPUs, or Server CPUs?

Leaked roadmaps have not been kind to AMD’s FX range. The ‘king’ of the Vishera family of FX CPUs, the quad-module eight-thread FX-9590, looks like it will be the king of the FX line for a little while longer, as shown in this roadmap:

As you might imagine, there is no public comment from AMD about the lack of new FX CPUs with Steamroller cores coming soon.

Depending on which roadmap you look at, AMD’s server offerings are mixed. Some report that During 2014 we will see the launch of “Warsaw” CPUs featuring 12-16 Piledriver cores, and there is no current mention of high-end Steamroller based Opterons at all. The official roadmap from AMD from June shows this, including their ARM server discussion, but a recently leaked roadmap shows that Steamroller will appear in their 1P compute clusters, followed by Excavator in 2015, but Piledriver based 12-16 thread machines will stay at the top of the pile.

 

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  • dbcoopernz - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I'd like an APU with enough GPU power to run all the high quality options in MadVR. Would make a very nice HTPC chip.
  • thomascheng - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I think Mantle can make that happen, but will see how much support they get.
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Mantle has nothing to do with GP-GPU, that's not using DirectX anyway.
  • JDG1980 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    My discrete 7750 couldn't handle Jinc scaling in MadVR (at least not without dropping frames on some 1080i test clips), so this is going to be another generation or two in the future.

    The PS4 APU could probably do it, if that was available in a generic PC form factor.
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Add to that DDR4 and/or 4 memory channels, or at least a large on-package buffer like Crystal Well.
  • yankeeDDL - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - link

    But the whole point of HSA is to get the GPU to do CPU work that it could do better (like FP).
    So you wouldn't need more CPU cores at all.
    Look at it this way: AMD's CPU is less efficient than Intel's, while the GPU is more efficient.
    Having a CPU-imbalanced APU, would put it in a tough(er) spot to compete against Intel. A GPU imbalanced, as Kaveri is, would improve the lead than it already has on the GPU side.
    Now imagine that HSA kicks in, and the GPU lead translates directly in CPU lead ...
  • mikato - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - link

    This is true. I hope we see more articles as adoption of HSA starts to take hold.

    It is too bad they are far behind in CPU power, but AMD has the right strategy. Either way, some things are better done on the GPU. AMD just has more benefit than Intel to get things moving that way sooner with their GPU advantage and CPU disadvantage. Intel will have no choice but to follow that lead.
  • nissangtr786 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/174632-amd-ka...

    hsa does well on amd main thing they marketed in libreoffice.
  • Ryan Smith - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    I'm normally not one to speak about other articles, but those are all OpenCL benchmarks. The OpenCL HSA driver won't be released for another quarter. And the HSA SDK is similarly far off.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-revi...
  • krumme - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    What a bencmark of a review. I learned a lot. Great. Thanx.

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