LRDIMMs, RDIMMs, and Supermicro's Latest Twin
by Johan De Gelas on August 3, 2012 4:45 AM EST- Posted in
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vApus Mark Mixed Performance
You might remember that we have two virtualization benchmarks, vApus Mark II and vApus Mark FOS. The first one is a virtualization benchmark with only Windows (mostly 2008) based VMs and third party proprietary applications; the second one has only Linux based VMs and contains strictly open source workloads so that third parties can verify our results if necessary.
You won't be surprised that as always both benchmarks have their limitations. Most enterprises run a mix of Windows and Linux VMs, and our benchmarks are not network and memory intensive enough. Remember that we developed them to test the newest multi-core processors from AMD and Intel. As 16GB or even 8GB DIMMs are way too expensive, we tried to keep the memory footprint rather modest as we would quickly run out of memory if we did not. Intel and AMD tend to send us their CPUs with the highest core count and the highest clock speeds inside an acceptable power budget.
Enter vApus Mark Mixed beta. We designed our third virtualization benchmark to be ultra realistic:
- A mix of Windows and Linux VMs
- High memory use
- Heavy I/O with lots of network traffic (>1 Gbit/s) and disk I/O
A vApus Mark Mixed beta tile consists of
- A LAMP virtual machine (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) with four vCPUs and 4GB RAM
- An MSSQL2008 on Windows 2008 that gets eight vCPUs and 8GB of RAM
- A Zimbra VM with two vCPU and 8GB of RAM
- SPECJbb VM with eight vCPUs and 16GB of RAM
So, each tile needs 22 vCPUs and 36GB of RAM. If we test with three tiles, we would theoretically need 108GB. Note that this is theoretical. For example, we run with four instances of SPECJBB and each instance gets 4GB of RAM, but in reality, although those instances try to allocate 4GB of RAM, this does not mean that they effectively use 16GB actively. The same is true for the other VMs.
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dgingeri - Friday, August 3, 2012 - link
"Most 2U servers are limited to 24 memory slots and as a result 384GB of RAM. With two nodes in a 2U server and 16 slots per node, you get cram up to 512GB of RDIMMs in one server. "It's not one server. It's actually 2 servers. just because they're in a 2U X 1/2 width form factor doesn't mean they're just one system. There are 2 systems there. Sure you can pack 512GB into 2U with 2 servers, but there are better ways.
1. Dell makes a PowerEdge R620, where you can pack 384GB into 1U, two of those gives you the same number of systems in the same space, with 50% more memory.
2. Dell also has their new R720, which is 2U and has a capacity of 768GB in a 2U form factor. Again, 50% more memory capacity in the same 2U. However, that's short 2 processor sockets.
2. Now, there's the new R820. 4 sockets, 1.5TB of memory, 7 slots, in 2U of space. It's a beast. I have one of these on the way from Dell for my test lab.
Working as an admin in a test lab, dealing with all brands of servers, my experiences with various brands gives me a rather unique insight. I have had very few problems with Dell server, despite having nearly 30% Dell servers. We've had 7 drives die (all Toshiba) and one faceplate LCD go out. Our HP boxes, at less than 10% of our lab, have had more failures. The IBMs, ahile also less than 10%, have had absolutely no hardware failures. Our Supermicros comprise about 25% of the lab, yet contribute >80% of the hardware problems, from motherboards that just quit recognizing memory to backplanes that quit recognizing drives. I'm not too happy with them.
JHBoricua - Monday, August 6, 2012 - link
Dgingeri,Sure, you can load each of those Rxxx Dell servers with boatloads of memory, but you fail to mention that it comes with a significant performance/penalty. The moment you put a third Dimm on a memory channel your memory speeds drops from 1600 (IF you started with 1600 memory to begin with) to 1066 or worse, 800. On a virtualization host, that makes a big difference.
Casper42 - Friday, August 10, 2012 - link
No one makes 32GB @ 1600 yet.So 512GB @ 2DPC would be 1333
And 768GB @ 3DPC would be 1066 or 800 like you mentioned.
384 using 16GB DIMMs would still be 3DPC and would drop from 1600 down to like 1066.
256GB @ 1600 @ 2DPC still seems to be the sweet spot.
BTW, why is the Dell R620 limited to 16GB DIMMs? The HP DL360p Gen8 is also 1U and supports 32GB LRDIMMs
ImSteevin - Friday, August 3, 2012 - link
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thenew3 - Friday, August 3, 2012 - link
The latest Dell R620's are 1U servers that can have two 8 core CPU's and 24 DIMM slots. Each slot can hold up to a 32GB DIMM giving total memory capacity of 768GB in a 1U space.We use these in our data centers for virtualization (we're 100% virtualized). Completely diskless (internal RAID 1 dual SD modules for ESXi)
Each machine has four 10gb NIC plus two 1gb NIC. All storage on iSCSI SAN's through 10gb backbone.
For most virtualization tasks, you really don't need the 2U R720, which has the same CPU/RAM options but gives you more drive bays and expansion slots.
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ddr3memory - Sunday, August 5, 2012 - link
A few corrections - the 192GB for HCDIMMs is incorrect - it should also be 384GB.There is no data available that confirms a 20% higher power consumption for HCDIMMs over LRDIMMs. There is a suspicious lack of benchmarks available for LRDIMMs. It is possible that figure arises from a comparison of 1.5V HCDIMMs vs. 1.35V LRDIMMs (as were available at IBM/HP).
It is incorrect that LRDIMMs are somehow standard and HCDIMMs are non-standard.
In fact HCDIMMs are 100% compatible with DDR3 RDIMM JEDEC standard.
It is the LRDIMMs which are a new standard and are NOT compatible with DDR3 RDIMMs - you cannot use them together.
The 1600MHz HCDIMM mention is interesting - would be good to hear more on that.
ddr3memory - Sunday, August 5, 2012 - link
I have posted an article on the performance comparison of HyperCloud HCDIMMs (RDIMM-compatible) vs. LRDIMMs (RDIMM non-compatible).Cannot post link here it seems - search for the article on the ddr3memory.wordpress.com blog:
Awaiting 32GB HCDIMMs
ddr3memory - Monday, August 6, 2012 - link
VMware has had good things to say about HCDIMM (not a word from VMware about LRDIMMs though). Search on the net for the article entitled:Memory for VMware virtualization servers
ddr3memory - Monday, August 6, 2012 - link
The prices mentioned maybe off - I see IBM showing same retail prices for 16GB LRDIMMs/HCDIMMs and similar at the IBM resellers.These resellers show 16GB HCDIMMs selling at $431 at costcentral for example, $503 at glcomp and $424 at pcsuperstore.
Search the internet for this article:
What are IBM HCDIMMs and HP HDIMMs ?
It has the links for the IBM/HP retail prices as well as the reseller prices.