Wrap-Up

As usual with a “launch” of notebook graphics, we are sadly lacking in test hardware. We hope to have plenty of notebooks ready for review in the coming weeks, and we need to take a closer look at AMD’s Mobility Radeon 6000 lineup as well. Sandy Bridge is the big news in laptops and notebooks now, though, and NVIDIA's goal is pretty clear:


NVIDIA and Intel are friends these days.

The past year has certainly been successful for NVIDIA’s mobile team. In late 2009, we had our first encounter with NVIDIA’s switchable graphics, courtesy of the ASUS UL80Vt. We liked it but the lack of regular driver updates was a splash of cold water in the face, and let’s be honest: even in late 2009 the GeForce G 210M was nothing to write home about. It managed to run most games at minimum detail and 1366x768, but asking for more than that was stretching things. The potential of switchable graphics was certainly enticing, though--get dedicated GPU performance when you need/want it, but don't sacrifice battery life for regular use.

In early 2010, NVIDIA called me and told me they wanted to fly me and a few other editors in for a Deep Dive on something they were calling Optimus. One of their PR guys told me he just referred to it internally as “the Jarred Edition of our mobile platform,” which of course got me thinking of the possibilities. While we’re still waiting for mobile GPUs that give us near-desktop performance while drawing less than 50W (which is basically what Sandy Bridge i7-2820QM does for CPUs), Optimus is certainly proving useful. Combined with the revamped Verde Driver Program, NVIDIA has become an easy mobile GPU recommendation.

ASUS’ first foray into higher-performance laptops with Optimus came with the N61Jv, and it was new enough at the time to garner a Silver Editors’ Choice award. The ASUS U30Jc also earned an Editors’ Choice—this time Bronze—and was a great replacement for the previous UL80Vt recommendation. Alienware updated the M11x to include Optimus in July, addressing one of our biggest concerns with the design and also earning a Silver award. The ASUS N82Jv continued the pattern of solid performance, but we pined for a decent LCD and withheld an Editors’ Choice award, stating that a larger battery and good LCD were the only things keeping it from Gold. It took two more months, but Dell finally delivered what we wanted with the XPS 15 L501x and Optimus GT 420M graphics—with the upgraded B-GR 1080p panel, it delivered on all fronts. (Unfortunately, the 1080p upgrade disappeared a month later, but hopefully it will come back with a Sandy Bridge refresh.)

You’ll notice a pattern in the above, and other successful laptops like the Clevo B5130M and ASUS N53Jf used Optimus as well (not to mention the Sony VAIO Z that we never did get a chance to review). All told, NVIDIA reports over 100 design wins for GeForce in 2010, with over 50 designs leveraging Optimus. In fact, the only laptops to get an Editors’ Choice award last year that didn’t have Optimus came from ASUS: the Eee PC 1001P gave us a great LCD to go along with Intel's Atom N450, while the ASUS G73Jh (later updated to GTX 460M with the G73Jw) provided another good LCD with potent gaming performance for $1500. NVIDIA is poised to continue their mobile wins in 2011, with 60% more (over 200) designs from all the major OEMs set to come out.

It’s not hard to figure out why everyone is on the Optimus bandwagon these days. While AMD has some good graphics hardware, the lack of an Optimus equivalent for Intel CPUs means you get better battery life with similar performance from NVIDIA—or you get something with an AMD GPU and switchable graphics like the HP Envy 13, and you’re left out in the cold on driver updates. That’s a problem for Intel CPU+AMD GPU, and you can get around it by using AMD CPU+GPU; unfortunately, AMD is sadly quite a ways behind Intel in CPU performance and battery life. We’ll see what Brazos can do for the netbook market soon enough, and Llano is coming later this year, but for high performance it will be very difficult to surpass Sandy Bridge. Take all of that and for the next six months, it looks like the majority of midrange and higher laptops will very likely use NVIDIA with Sandy Bridge.

The way I see it, there are really only a few reasons to dislike Optimus. The first is simple: you use Linux on your laptop and you want switchable graphics. Well, even that area is undergoing some change, and the Linux community may yet provide a solution—right now there are some laptops where you can switch between the IGP and discrete GPU in the BIOS. The other reason to dislike Optimus is similar, in that you’re heavily dependent on NVIDIA to keep updating the drivers and game/application lists. I’ve encountered a few instances where programs didn’t behave quite the way I’d like (i.e. they wouldn’t use the dGPU when I wanted, or they would use the dGPU when I didn’t want it), but most of these are simply in need of bug fixing, kind of like SLI support needs updated profiles to work sometimes. I suppose we could also state that sending the frame data over the PCIe bus uses more system resources—you use about 1GB/s for a 120Hz 1080p signal—but this so far has mostly affected games and benchmarks where you hit ultra-high frame rates. (As an example of this, the Wings of Fury test in 3DMark03 clocked 286FPS on 425M Optimus compared to 363FPS on HD 5650; normally, the HD 5650 is only about ~10% faster than the GT 425M, and since those numbers are using the AMD P520 CPU the NVIDIA chip would usually come out on top.)

None of these items are enough for us to recommend against Optimus, and while some people will feel differently it's pretty clear that notebook manufacturers like what they're seeing. Unless you're into the idea of disposable laptops, you probably want your system to last for several years. With more people purchasing laptops than desktops these days, greater flexibility is useful, and the best way to get that is to have a decent GPU in the mix. With Optimus, NVIDIA enables laptop manufactures to add a GPU without a ton of extra work (the displays are all still driven off the IGP), and they can turn it off when you don't need it. Users get the best of both worlds: performance and battery life, on demand. Manufacturers also avoid some of the technical support calls asking "why doesn't game X run on my system?" Telling them that their integrated graphics isn't fast enough or compatible doesn't win customer loyalty, even if it's true. Unless you're sure you don't need graphics, pairing Sandy Bridge with an Optimus GPU is still the most sensible choice in my opinion.

Looking forward to 2011, we now have the option to get everything we always wanted from a desktop replacement. Quad-core Sandy Bridge bested the fastest Clarksfield notebooks by over 50% in pure CPU performance, and it can still get down to ~10W power draw for a 17.3" notebook. Give us that sort of notebook with a good GPU (GT 555M or GTX 460M would be a good place to start!) and you have a notebook that truly can replace most modern desktops. Of course, while notebook manufacturers are doing the above, please quit with the lousy LCDs. Tablets are now shipping with IPS displays; can the laptops and notebooks get some luvin' as well? Also, stop with the glossy plastics, give us decent keyboards, and stop using 48Wh batteries in 15.6" and larger laptops! It's really not too much to ask.

Examining the 2011 Mobile World
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  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    It looks like the 520M has four fewer pins, but the top of the chips is quite different. NVIDIA didn't disclose any chip names to me when I asked, unfortunately, I have intermittent Internet access, so I can't really do much other than respond to posts right now, but I'll try to look into it later.
  • rjc - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link

    Thanks Jarred for updating the article.

    One small thing though - the pin outs on the GF108 and GF119 i think are identical. The website for some reason though shows the GF119 pads rotated by 90degrees, notice the triangle is in a different position to the equivalent shot for the GF108. The pin outs are very similar and same size to the older GF215 and GF216 chips, with 4 additional pins for the 2 new parts.

    With regard to the GF119 performance, be a bit careful estimating it. As the codename indicates, it is rumored to have quite some advances over the other Fermi chips. For instance the increase from 420m to 520m performance level apparently only consumes 2W more according to the nvidia figures.
  • Dug - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    Thanks for taking the time to go through the new chips and explain the differences. Even then nVidia has made it confusing again. I really wish they would just stick with increasing the model number with increased performance.
  • bennyg - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    At this rate Fermi will be in the 600s, maybe the 700Ms; and their next chip design will take them well beyond the 900s.

    G80 and derivatives were the 8000s, 9000s, 100Ms, 200Ms, 300Ms.

    Nvidia's whole point of new model numbers is to HIDE that there is no/minimal increase in performance.

    I won't even begin to consider shedding a fraction of a tear that all the "1Gb Dedicated Graphics" cards will have no reason for existence. They are only ever targeted and marketed to the uninformed and it's clear a company has reached the pinnacle of un-ethics when it deliberately seeks to confuse the marketplace in order to market its products.
  • MrSpadge - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link

    I find it really funny how the same chip with lower clocks suddenly gets a higher subnumer once it "improved" one generation :p

    MrS
  • RyanVM - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    Firefox 4 doesn't support hardware acceleration with Optimus configurations. It was causing lots of instability.
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59732...

    Can't speak for Chrome or IE9.
  • Ed051042 - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    Amen to the closing statement on laptop LCD quality. 1366x768 is NOT an acceptable resolution on a 14/15/17" notebook. My 10" netbook as that resolution! The currently lack of ability to deliver quality displays is troubling. Dell has "supply issues" with their 1080p panel for the XPS 15, while HP pulled their 1600x panel for the Envy 14. Only the Sony Vaio Z is delivering the goods, with 1080p on a 13" panel.
  • Hrel - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    "Clock speeds are also up, in this case it’s a 14% increase for the 550M vs. 435M, 20% for 540M vs. 425M, and 20% for the 525M over the 520M—not too shabby" I think you meant "525M over the 420M (not 520M).

    The GT425M at 560core/1120processor/800RAM clocks. That's only 7%, 7% and 12.5% increases. I'm glad for the extra memory bandwidth and would love to see if giving this GPU GDDR5 would let it handle 1080p at least on the lowest settings in games like Crysis or Stalker. I just hope the "new" GT525M costs less than the GT425M cause realistically it won't be much faster if at all so the price should drop. I just really want a 15.6" laptop with a decent quality (Compal/Clevo) quality 1080p screen. i5 2520M, GT525M, 4GB DDR3 1333 for a thousand bucks or less. I REALLY don't care if it includes a blue ray drive, or even a dvd drive. And I REALLY REALLY want it to come with Seagate's Momentus XT Hybrid drive 500GB.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link

    Finally got enough internet speed to be able to update a few bits in the text. The 525M replaces the 420M, which had 500/1000 clocks. The 535M replaces 425M, which is the 560/1120 clocks you mention. But you're right if you compare 525M to 425M. The overlapping names is more than a little confusing!

    I also updated the information in regards to 520M/410M, which use the GF119 core.
  • EliteRetard - Wednesday, January 5, 2011 - link

    If we can currently buy a 1GB GTX460 for 150$ any chance well get the GTX485 at a reasonable price? Sure its fully unlocked (why dont we have an unlocked desktop GTX460?), so make it 200$. I want to see laptops with that chip for under $1,000.

    If Nvidia wants $500 for a card like that, whats stopping companies like Asus from just making their own mobile varients? Couldnt they just take the mobile PCI card blank and drop in an actual GTX460 chip and downclock it? Ive been saying all this time, if they can do GTX480 SLI in a laptop with an i7-980x, why the heck cant they just use a GTX460 and go with a much cheaper and more reasonable mobile CPU to make a low cost but effective gaming laptop?

    Thats what I want, a midrange sandy bridge CPU and a switching GTX460 level GPU. Call it an all in one PC if you have to and stick it to a decent 17" LCD. Keep it at 6lbs or less. Id buy that for around a grand. Oh and let us use those larger mobile HDDs...I do need 1TB storage in a laptop and dont want to use 2 drive bays to do it. Keep the second for SSD.

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