Boxee Box: The Inside Story, Swapping Tegra 2 for Intel CE4100
by Ganesh T S & Brian Klug on September 13, 2010 10:31 AM EST- Posted in
- Media Streamer
- Home Theater
- HTPC
Now that we have an understanding of the new platform which will be powering the Boxee Box, it can be said that it wouldn't be unfair to expect as close an experience on this to what one gets with a HTPC version of Boxee. That said, we did have some queries for Boxee, and they were kind enough to get back to us with answers. Based on our interaction, the pros and cons of the Boxee Box as it stands now are as below:
Pros:
- Bitstreams HD audio from MKV, M2TS and ISO containers
- uPnP support (DLNA certification will be a technicality)
- DVD and Blu-Ray ISO support without menus
- 3D playback of content which can be transferred through HDMI 1.3
- Multichannel FLAC supported
- Gapless audio playback supported
- PGS and forced subtitles in MKV supported
- Support for SSA / ASS subtitles (first for a dedicated media streamer as far as we know)
Cons:
- Premium content partners not announced yet
- Only SMB and AFS (HFS+) supported for network storage as of now (No NFS / FTP etc.)
- No menu support for DVD and Blu-Ray ISOs as of now.
- HDMI 1.4a support not possible
- No support for MKV chapters as of now
- No support for playback of DRM content from external Blu-Ray or DVD drives as of now.
Some aspects on which we are awaiting further clarification:
- Support for native resolution / frame rate
- Support for 23.976 Hz refresh rate
- Extent of hackability of firmware for open source developers
- Nature of the 802.11n support
- Power consumption profile
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Support for Real Media
From the demo that we were able to see, most of the generic online content is easily accessible, and the WebKit browser is always a fallback option. As the firmware matures further, most of the above cons should disappear. We should get a good look at the capabilities and test out Boxee's claims for ourselves once we receive the review unit. Boxee also went the extra step and requested a copy of our media streamer test suite. This should help them fix up any minor corner case requirements with respect to video decode. As for the other details, we will have to wait for the unit to reach our hands.
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ganeshts - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
Thanks, fixed.evilspoons - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
People actually still care about Real Media content?? I haven't installed Realplayer in something like seven years and I've only come across a couple things I haven't been able to watch as a result.Also: I find it extremely unlikely to matter to 99.5% of consumers that this thing is missing NFS support. You're going to want to watch files shared on a Windows box or a Mac, and SMB would cover both of those- the Macs would just require you to turn on the proper sharing feature. (Isn't HFS+ a file system like NTFS?)
Wikipedia even redirects CIFS to SMB so I'm not sure what the issue is there...
As for the Linux nuts who are miffed they don't have NFS, well, just install Samba. It's not hard.
And FTP? Either you've got a local link and can use SMB or you probably don't have a fast enough streaming connection to worry about playing video from FTP anyway. I mean, for the future, sure, but it seems weird to list as a con right now.
Now: disc menus and DRM'd disc content not being available, those are real drawbacks. This thing would be absolutely killer in the market if you could plug in a USB Blu-Ray drive and watch movies the same way you do on a "regular' player.
ganeshts - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
evilspoons, CIFS is fixed now.RealMedia is very prevalent in China (and by extension, with the Chinese community in the US). Otherwise, all the media streamer chip companies wouldn't be adding support to it (Sigma Designs added support for Real Media in the new 8646 which they have been avoiding for 3 generations of chips).
NFS is important for Blu-Ray ISO streaming since SMB often has bottlenecks and lesser throughput.
evilspoons - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
Huh, I had no idea about the RealMedia thing or the NFS business - I have hard-wired GigE that has never given me bandwidth troubles with SMB, but apparently it has seriously helped people with 802.11n cards and stuttering movies.Please note that I re-read my comment and it seemed a bit mean-spirited, I didn't mean anything of the sort - just giving my opinion.
I may very well buy one or two of these Boxes if they're nearly as good as we all hope.
chrnochime - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
People actually care to muck around with a media streamer that has this shortcoming or that? Huh?If I'm stuck with getting a media streamer, it would actually be VERY convenient since all those Chinese subbed J dramas are encoded to rmvb. Just because you don't care doesn't mean it's useless for others. Oh wait I thought that was obvious already LOL
deadsix - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
Why did the Boxee engineers disable GigE? While streaming movies to my PS3 with PS3 media server I've seen over 100Mbps.sprockkets - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
If that were the case your movie size would be around 50 gigabytes for a 90 minute movie. Sure about that?haze4peace - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
That simply isn't true. My roommate streams high quality movies from my computer and I watch how much bandwidth is sent to him. It rarely goes over 6 MBps on the highest of quality movies i own. Usually hovers between 2 and 3 MBps. 100Mbps can theoretically runs at 12.5MBps, which is more than enough to watch a single movie.deadsix - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
I'm basing it off what the PS3 says when you bring up the info overlay... but that might be video bitrate.... I might have been confused.mataichi - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
All the media streamers I've seen render subtitles in some generic looking way (ie same font, color, border etc). I assume Boxee will be the same? For instance, if I watch a file on my computer and the subtitle color is red and some cursive font, will it display this way on Boxee or will it convert to the generic style. I watch a lot of subtitled videos and its a big deal that the subtitles display as the subtitler intended.