Flash 10.1 on GM45 and ION Laptops

As Anand mentioned, I ran some tests on laptops as a sanity check. Besides the AMD numbers (ATI HD 3200 using a Gateway NV52 laptop), I also ran tests on an HP Mini 311 (NVIDIA ION LE) and a Gateway NV58 (Intel GMA 4500 MHD). My results with the ION LE laptop are similar to Anand's experience, except that I didn't have an external display so I used the native 1366x768 laptop LCD. The difference between Flash 10.0 and 10.1 is absolutely stunning on an ION-based netbook. I conducted all of the laptop testing with the videos running in fullscreen mode.

HP Mini 311 (ION LE)
Full Screen 1366x768 Performance
  Flash 10.0.32.18 Flash 10.1.51.45
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - Avg. CPU 98% 66%
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - FPS 1.1 24.2
Hulu 480p - The Office - Avg. CPU 92% 66%
Hulu 480p - The Office - FPS 7.1 27.6
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - Avg. CPU 90% 69%
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - FPS (Dropped) 10.5 (1519) 24.0 (0)

Using Flash 10.0, the ION netbook is horrible for Flash video. Standard definition movies on YouTube are about as good as it gets, and there's still obvious frame dropping when running in fullscreen mode. HD movies range from dropping about one third of the frames to dropping well over half of the frames, and that's at 720p. With YouTube now starting to support 1080p videos, things only get worse. We averaged around three frames per second on a 30 FPS video. Hulu is even worse, with SD video managing just 7.1 FPS and a 720p video running a 1 FPS slideshow.

Upgrade to Flash 10.1 and pretty much all of the problems mentioned above are gone. Average CPU utilization drops by 20 to 35% and every video we tested worked without a hitch (provided we used the &fmt=22 workaround mentioned earlier). Hulu's 720p Legend of the Seeker (one of their few HD videos at present) ran at a buttery smooth 24 FPS. Needless to say, your typical netbook using an Intel GMA 950 isn't going to be able to do any of this stuff, regardless of which version of Flash you're running.

Moving on to the Gateway NV58 with GMA 4500MHD....

Gateway NV58 (GMA 4500MHD)
Full Screen 1366x768 Performance
  Flash 10.0.32.18 Flash 10.1.51.45
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - Avg. CPU 76% 56%
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - FPS 25.3 24.5
Hulu 480p - The Office - Avg. CPU 72% 62%
Hulu 480p - The Office - FPS 33.5 10.2
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - Avg. CPU 52% 41%
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - FPS (Dropped) 26.2 (0) 24.0 (0)

Things were a bit more interesting on the NV58. First, we really didn't have any trouble watching any of the videos in full screen mode using Flash 10.0. CPU usage was rather high on the 2.1 GHz T6500 processor, but there were no noticeable frame drops. Both Hulu videos had CPU utilization at above 70%, with spikes hitting 95%. The YouTube 720p video we looked at didn't require nearly as much CPU power, and it didn't drop any frames. One oddity worth noting is that frame rates actually tended to be slightly higher than the video content, though it didn't cause any noticeable distortion.

Updating to Flash 10.1 was a mixed bag. The good news is that CPU utilization dropped by 11 points on the YouTube 720p video. The frame rate also locked in at 24 FPS, which is what you would expect since the source movie is 24 FPS. Our Hulu HD 720p movie dropped CPU usage by 20%, again with frame rates running at the expected 24 FPS (give or take). The anomaly was the Hulu SD video, where we saw CPU usage dropped 10% but frame rates went from a smooth 33 FPS down to 10 FPS. Unfortunately, looking around Hulu, the vast majority of their videos appear to have this problem on the GMA 4500MHD.

Considering the problems we had with ATI video playback and Flash 10.1, the problem appears to be either graphics drivers or incomplete support for non-NVIDIA hardware in Flash 10.1. We expect this is one of those areas Adobe will work on during the next couple of months prior to the official launch of Flash 10.1.

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  • Doormat - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    On my old Macbook Core duo 1.83Ghz, I can watch Hulu now, both windowed and full screen. Before it was really bad....
  • joshv - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    Sorry, Flash performance on Mac sucks. I've done full screen Hulu on my relatively slow Core 2 Duo and it was smooth as silk - Windows Vista. On my current Core i7 machine I can watch full screen HD content from Hulu. Again smooth as silk - 15% CPU utilization.
  • marc1000 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    Hi guys. nice news, but I would like to ask if it is possible to do a second test on the AMD systems, because the 9.10 vs 9.11 issue. Even a quick check would suffice to let you (and us) know if it ever changes anything. Thanks,
  • marc1000 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    Sorry, I was checking the article again. In the first page you say there is NO 9.11 driver compatible right now. We will have to wait then... thanks anyway!
  • 7Enigma - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    Could one of you do a quick test with the 9.11 drivers and give at least a single data point to show how well this works on the ATI parts? I know you updated to say 9.11 was required and that could be a problem, but these tests appear pretty hands-off (FRAPS), so a single episode of the Office or the HD content on YouTube shouldn't take more than an hour to run?

    I just don't want to see the comments section turning into another ATI/NVIDIA fanboy girl-fight, and claims of NVIDIA favoritism...

    Very interested in the final version of this FLASH update. It has been WAYYYY too long in coming.
  • UNCjigga - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    I am wondering if piping the video through the DXVA hardware decode path does anything for image quality? Do the standard Purevideo/Avivo enhancements apply? At the very least, I imagine it might "soften" resized video a bit more than the standard pixelated crap from Flash.
  • rnj - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - link

    actually it resulted in a signficantly quality drop
  • Azhrei - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    So I just checked it out and on my system the video quality for hulu 480p videos at fullscreen is horrible. There is noticeable blocks that is most evident in peoples faces. I downgraded back to 10.0. I don't know if the problem was my video card's rendering or flash but on an 8800 gts 512mb it was unacceptable. I didn't check performance closely because on an i7 flash doesn't stress the CPU enough for me to care. I just checked task manager to make sure it wasn't doing something weird and pushing the CPU hard.
  • csng - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    Just tested it on my Nvidia 9600GT,running a youtube HD content, CPU utilization dropped to 25-27% compared to > 55% before using the latest flash player. However the video quality dropped and the whole scene seems washed out. Some blocky effect as mentioned as well..
  • ioannis - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link

    it might be just gamma settings. Try reducing gamma for video from the nvidia settings.

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