Miscellaneous Aspects and Concluding Remarks

Networking and storage are two major aspects which influence our experience with any computing system. This section presents results from our evaluation of these aspects in the ASRock NUC BOX-1165G7. On the storage side, one option would be repetition of our strenuous SSD review tests on the drive(s) in the PC. Fortunately, to avoid that overkill, UL PCMark 10 has a Full System Drive Benchmark storage test certain common workloads such as booting, loading games, and document processing are replayed on the target drive. The average access times and bandwidth numbers are recorded for each trace and the overall numbers contribute to a benchmark score.

In case of single drive systems, we attempt to allocate 180GB to the primary partition, and leave the remaining space on the drive as a secondary partition. For dual-drive systems, the OS drive is the primary drive, while the other is categorized as the secondary one. Since PCMark 10 requires 80GB of free space at the minimum for processing the Full System Drive Benchmark, we are able to process the benchmark on both the primary and secondary drive in only some of the evaluated systems. We present results of the secondary drive testing below, as it has more number of comparison points. In the case of the NUC BOX-1165G7 configuration, the primary and secondary drive results are within the margin of error.

UL PCMark 10 Storage Full System Drive Benchmark - Secondary Drive - Storage Score

The PCIe 4.0 SSD - the ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite manages a better score compared to the SSDs in the Frost Canyon NUC (the Crucial P5 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD) and the 4X4 BOX-4800U (the Patriot P300 DRAM-less PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD). In terms of average latency, the lead for the S50 Lite over the Crucial P5 is narrow (82us vs. 84us). The average bandwidth (342 MBps vs. 327 MBps) contributes more to the score difference graphed above.

On the networking front, the system ticks multiple boxes - dual LAN ports with one of them supporting NBASE-T (2.5Gbps), along with 160 MHz Wi-Fi 6. These features are a nice upgrade over previous UCFF PCs that had no NBASE-T support and/or came with only one wired LAN port. The rich networking I/O also expands the application scenarios for the system.

Closing Thoughts

At the end of our review process for the ASRock Industrial NUC-1165G7, we have insights into three complementary components - Intel's Tiger Lake-U platform for UCFF PCs, the NUC-1165G7 motherboard, and the NUC BOX chassis.

Intel's Tiger Lake brought the Willow Cove micro-architecture to processors with a wide range of TDPs. In our review of the Beast Canyon NUC, the 65W chip with its 8C/16T configuration simply blew the competition out of the water. This was partly due to the fact that AMD's Ryzen lineup did not have any suitable chips to go directly against the non-socketed Core i9-11900KB. In lower core/lower TDP configurations, however, Tiger Lake has the distinct disadvantage of not having enough cores to go against the top-end Zen 2-based UCFF PCs. In fact, across multiple workloads, the NUC BOX-1165G7 even comes up second best to the Frost Canyon NUC with its hexa-core processor.

Intel does manage to save face with impressive single-threaded performance, but a large number of consumer workloads are shifting to take advantage of multi-core processors. AMD's Zen 3-based Cezanne APUs will be coming to the mini-PC market soon, and that will pose more challenges to Intel's market share in this segment. If AMD's OEMs manage to create a mini-PC with, say, the Ryzen 7 5800U in a 25W cTDP-up configuration, Tiger Lake-U's appeal could be dented further.

But when that time comes, there will be more than just CPU performance to consider. In terms of connectivity and I/O, Tiger Lake-U leaves Cezanne / Renoir far behind. PCIe 4.0 support, along with integrated Thunderbolt 4 ports means that TGL-U-based mini-PCs are much more extensible compared to AMD-based offerings.

ASRock Industrial's NUC-1165G7 motherboard was one of the first UCFF boxes based on TGL-U to hit the market. In order to bring the product to market faster, USB4 certification was delayed and the company opted not to pursue Thunderbolt 4 certification. Thankfully, the board design with the retimer integration ensures full Thunderbolt 4 support on one of the Type-C ports. Suitable networking controllers have been integrated on the board to make it a premium product in terms of I/O. And the BIOS on the board is functional enough for business deployments.

On the NUC BOX chassis itself, we appreciate that ASRock Industrial managed to include support for a 2.5-inch SATA drive. Despite being made of plastic, the case is well-ventilated, as evidenced by the thermal performance of the system. The distribution of I/O ports between the front and rear is well-balanced, unlike some of the other PCs where most ports are relegated to the rear panel. Ease of disassembly and ability to VESA mount the system mean that there is little to complain about the case design itself.

On the pricing front, the NUC BOX-1165G7 is available for $583. There are a few Tiger Canyon NUCs available from different e-tailers for $620+, but most of those NUCs are currently in the hands of system integrators who only want to supply pre-built configurations at huge premiums. Given the current state of the electronics industry supply chain, that is not a surprise. The ASRock Industrial NUC BOX-1165G7 happens to be one of the very few barebones Tiger Lake-based UCFF mini-PCs that can actually be ordered today. The 4X4 BOX-4800U is also available for a very similar price. Depending on the exact user requirements, either can be chosen. For example, the 4X4-4800U's Realtek DASH implementation for remote management has no corresponding feature in the NUC BOX-1165G7, since the board uses a non-vPro processor.

Overall, despite the lack of additional cores, the single-threaded performance of Tiger Lake, higher boost clocks, and Thunderbolt support gives the NUC BOX-1165G7 a slight edge over currently available Renoir mini-PCs. However, that could vary depending on end-user requirements. The competition in the UCFF PC market is heating up, and that is only good news for consumers once the semiconductor shortage clears up and the supply chain becomes healthy again.

 
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  • willis936 - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    This is a quite nice looking product. I just wish they'd have used a latching power connector.
  • brunosalezze - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    I have one of these. Its actually my work pc right now, I dont need a gpu or multiple cores to code, I and have dedicated servers avaiable to run the code. It serves me very well to be able to have 2 4k monitors and not strugle to move the mouse. My only issue with it, its when I try to hook up a gpu with a R43SG. Its very hard to boot, the issue is not the conection, I've used this connector to other mini pcs with my 6800 and always worked very well, the issue is this particular bios, I think.
  • xsoft7 - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    there is a Zen3 mini PC.. with 5900HX which costs 649$ can you review it?
    https://store.minisforum.com/collections/all-produ...

    many youtube videos are raving about it.
  • abufrejoval - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    You send them one, they'll be more likely to review it.

    Now seriously, you can infer quite a bit on Ryzen by looking at what has been tested already.

    All these APUs are basically the same silicon operated at distinct power settings, ~15 Watts for 5800U, ~35 Watts for 5900HX and ~65 Watts for 5700G.

    The Vega9 graphics don't seem to benefit a terrible lot from extra Wattage, because it's mostly bandwidth constained. There are reviews out there which demonstrate the potential with overclocker DIMMs and an overclocked GPU, but those gains remain linear from a very low baseline.

    Peak clocks are just a couple hundred MHz apart, hardly enough to matter, so what you mostly get from the extra Watts is sustained clocks on higher core counts. Go take the values for 15 Watts and 65 Watts, split the difference and add ~20% because CMOS won't give linear clock returns on Watts beyond say 2GHz.

    Somewhere on Youtube you'll find someone raving about any thing. But APUs aim really for the very rational, just enough to get the work done in a couple of form factors and at a few price points.
  • meacupla - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    How would a 1135G7 (28W) compare with a Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (35W)?

    There are, or were, plenty of 1L class SFF PCs using the 4650GE, and OEMs are probably transitioning to the 5650GE right now.

    If you are going to use a U series APUs at higher TDP, because it's a SFF, I think you might as well include 35W desktop APUs used in SFF for comparison.
  • abufrejoval - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link

    I got the NUC8 (Iris 655), NUC10 (UHD) and NUC11 (Xe) all as i7, each with 64GB and 10Gbit via Sabrent TB3 (Aquantia really) NICs to operate as a oVirt(RHV) HCI cluster.

    Played around with Windows a bit before they became "productive".

    I was really interested to see how the iGPU generations would play out and in IPC vs cores, 14nm vs. 10nm etc.

    Twice the iGPU resources (48 vs 24EU) + the 128MB eDRAM on the Iris 655 only got 50% performance increase, just as the 3DMark gaming score shows. That seemed to spell trouble for the 96EU Xe, which doesn't have any of that. But it didn't. Instead the 96EU Xe scales pretty much linearly vs the 24EU UHD, but that still doesn't make it a games engine. Still a NIght Raid or WildLife type game runs just fine at FHD on the NUC11.

    In terms of CPU benchmarks, it was a clear win for the NUC11. It got awfully close to my 5800X on single core benchmarks, especially on Linux, while the 6-Core 10700U could not gain ground against the 4-Core 1065G7 on e.g. Blender or anything thready.

    I also have a Lenovo 5800U notebook, which can be configured for the 28Watt and 15Watt energy consumption levels (which is sticks to, religiously!) and it really can't gain much ground on thready workloads against the 1065G7, either, when that is configured to those same 15 and 28 Watt limits. I only measured via HWinfo, not at the wall, so there is that.

    What I really like about the NUCs is that they allow very precise control over P1, P2, TAU and the fans (I need absolute control over maximum noise and want max CPU for that in operation). They give you that, while the generation over generation looks of that BIOS are so different, it seams to be completely different teams.

    Ah and yeah, the Xe graphics do outperform the Vega9 on the 5800U significantly in numbers, while it doesn't really matter for gaming. Both are super smooth with Google Maps in 3D mode on Chromium in Windows at 4k. But any software less optimized will struggle beyond 2D.

    Multi-Monitor support on all the Intel iGPUs is excellent on Windows and Linux, the Vega9 has serious issues switching between external and internal graphics even on Windows. A dual alt-mode USB-C adapter which supports a 4k primary and a FHD secondary seamlessly on any Intel iGPU with very OS I've tested works as you'd expect it, but with the Radeon drivers (both Lenovo and latest AMD) just switching between the 3k laptop screen and the external 4k primary freezes the output to the point where only a hard poweroff will bring it back.

    With all systems playing with the power settings (15-64Watts for the NUCs, 12-28Watts for 5800U), those settings did little to nothing for the iGPU. It's really just all about how much left-over budget goes to enable higher CPU clocks (until thermals kick in).
  • zsdersw - Friday, August 27, 2021 - link

    What exactly is "industrial" about it? If it's not fanless it can't really be considered industrial and it's just another NUC-type computer.
  • abufrejoval - Friday, August 27, 2021 - link

    The marketing channel.

    They don't metion any testing specification in the technical data on the ASrock web site.

    Without that it may just mean that consumer (fool protection) return rights might not apply.

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