Conclusion: TDP is Not Fit For Purpose

In years gone by, processors were sold with a single frequency and power rating. It was very quickly realized that if a processor could effectively go to sleep, using either lower voltage or lower frequency (or both) then a lot of idle power could be saved. Going the other way, processor designers realized that for temporary short bursts, a core could run at a higher frequency before it reached a thermal limit. Also, using a multi-core processor meant that either the power budget could be shared across all the cores, or it could be focused in one.

Both AMD and Intel have noticed this over time, and both companies have different attitudes on how they report numbers relating to ‘base frequency’ and related power as well as the bursty ‘turbo frequency’ and related power. Out of those four metrics, the only one Intel doesn’t provide is turbo power, because from their perspective it is system dependent.

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Intel lets motherboard manufacturers determine how long a system can turbo for, and what that budget is. Intel encourages motherboard manufacturers to over-engineer the motherboards, not only for overclocking, but for non-overclockable CPUs to get the best performance for longer. This really messes up what the ‘default out-of-the-box performance’ should be if different motherboards give different values. The trend lately is that enthusiast motherboards enable an unlimited turbo budget, and the user building their system just has to deal with it.

This means that users who buy the Core i7-10700 in this review, despite the 65 W rating on the box, will have to cater for a system that will not only peak around 215 W, but sustain that 215 W during any extended high-performance load, such as rendering or compute. We really wished Intel put this 215 W value on the box to help end-users determine their cooling, as without sufficient guidance, users could be hitting thermal limits without even knowing why. At this point, 'Intel Recommended Values' for turbo time and budget mean nothing outside of Intel's own OEM partners building commercial systems.

Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Performance

In the review we highlighted that these two processors have a peak turbo frequency difference of 300 MHz and an all-core turbo frequency difference of 100 MHz. The fact that one is rated at 65 W and the other is rated at 125 W is inconsequential here, given that most end-user motherboards will simply enable turbo all the time. This means the performance in most of our tests between the two is practically identical, and consummate to a 100-300 MHz frequency difference.

In practically all of our tests, the Core i7-10700K is ahead by a super slim margin. At $387 for the 10700K compared to $335 for the 10700, the performance difference is not enough to warrant the $52 price difference between the two. Performance per dollar sides mostly with the Core i7-10700, although users getting the i7-10700K will likely look towards overclocking their processor to get the most out of it – that ultimately is what to pay for.

The other comparison point is with the Ryzen 5 5600X, which has two fewer cores but costs $299. In practically every test, the increased IPC of the Ryzen over Intel means that it sits identical with the Core i7 processors, AMD is cheaper on list price, and at a much lower power (AMD will peak around 76 W, compared to 215 W). AM4 motherboards are also abundant, while corresponding Intel motherboards are still expensive. The problem here however is that AMD is having such high demand for its product lines right now that finding one in stock might be difficult, and it probably won’t be at its recommended price.

Users in this price bracket have a tough choice – the more efficient AMD processor that might be in stock, compared to the Intel processor that will be in stock but more cooling will likely be required.

Gaming Tests: Strange Brigade
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  • Mr Perfect - Thursday, January 21, 2021 - link

    Yeah, if Alder Lake doesn't get things under control later this year, my next ITX build will also be Ryzen. There's just no sense in using a CPU drawing 200+ watts in SFF when cooling the current crop of GPUs is hard enough as it is!
  • DanNeely - Thursday, January 21, 2021 - link

    In SFF I suspect you'll be operating well below 215W. If not because the mobo can't supply the power, but because your small form factor cooler can't handle the heat and you're limited to short turbo periods due to thermal throttling.
  • Mr Perfect - Thursday, January 21, 2021 - link

    You should well be able to run the 215watt mode if you're daring. Some folks over on r\sffpc use the big CPUs, because the mITX boards have power delivery similar to the ATX boards and do support them. The problem is they report idle temps around 50C and gaming temps around 70C.

    Personally, I'm just not willing to run those temps. My current ITX build is using an older 95watt CPU(that actually drew 95watts at turbo) and idles at 35C and games around 50C. A new CPU with an idle temp that's the same as my current load temp is just mind boggling.
  • Dug - Thursday, January 21, 2021 - link

    You do realize that 50 and 70c are not anywhere close to being worried about anything? You said personally you aren't willing to run those temps. Have you even looked into what modern processors are capable of? Have you ever used a laptop, which will hit that temp just by opening the lid?
  • Calin - Friday, January 22, 2021 - link

    I remember one processor (or maybe GPU) had temperature limits (internal temperature, as measured on-die) of a bit over 100 Celsius. It might have been an NVidia chip, however I remember Intel coming close to that.
    Compared to that, 50 Celsius at idle and 70 at load is positively arctic ;)
  • at_clucks - Friday, January 22, 2021 - link

    Perhaps idling at 50 is not outstanding but full load at 70 definitely is, especially for a cramped SFF PC.
  • Spunjji - Friday, January 22, 2021 - link

    It all depends on the fan speeds, really. 50 at idle is extremely impressive if the system is silent!
  • Wineohe - Thursday, January 21, 2021 - link

    I too just picked up a 5600X for list of $299 to build a NAS. Paired it with a $120 B550, some extra RAM and a video card I had collecting dust. Wish I would have researched the case more though. Ironically it’s considerably faster than my desktop with it’s pokey old i7-6800K. I’ll wait until the 5950X comes more readily available for a upgrade.
  • schujj07 - Friday, January 22, 2021 - link

    Using a 5600X for a NAS, I assume it is for home and not enterprise, is total overkill. You would be fine using an Athlon 200G in a home NAS and would never notice the difference.
  • magreen - Friday, January 22, 2021 - link

    I run a pentium M for my Ubuntu server/NAS

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