Conclusion: TDP is Not Fit For Purpose

In years gone by, processors were sold with a single frequency and power rating. It was very quickly realized that if a processor could effectively go to sleep, using either lower voltage or lower frequency (or both) then a lot of idle power could be saved. Going the other way, processor designers realized that for temporary short bursts, a core could run at a higher frequency before it reached a thermal limit. Also, using a multi-core processor meant that either the power budget could be shared across all the cores, or it could be focused in one.

Both AMD and Intel have noticed this over time, and both companies have different attitudes on how they report numbers relating to ‘base frequency’ and related power as well as the bursty ‘turbo frequency’ and related power. Out of those four metrics, the only one Intel doesn’t provide is turbo power, because from their perspective it is system dependent.

(0-0) Peak Power

Intel lets motherboard manufacturers determine how long a system can turbo for, and what that budget is. Intel encourages motherboard manufacturers to over-engineer the motherboards, not only for overclocking, but for non-overclockable CPUs to get the best performance for longer. This really messes up what the ‘default out-of-the-box performance’ should be if different motherboards give different values. The trend lately is that enthusiast motherboards enable an unlimited turbo budget, and the user building their system just has to deal with it.

This means that users who buy the Core i7-10700 in this review, despite the 65 W rating on the box, will have to cater for a system that will not only peak around 215 W, but sustain that 215 W during any extended high-performance load, such as rendering or compute. We really wished Intel put this 215 W value on the box to help end-users determine their cooling, as without sufficient guidance, users could be hitting thermal limits without even knowing why. At this point, 'Intel Recommended Values' for turbo time and budget mean nothing outside of Intel's own OEM partners building commercial systems.

Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Performance

In the review we highlighted that these two processors have a peak turbo frequency difference of 300 MHz and an all-core turbo frequency difference of 100 MHz. The fact that one is rated at 65 W and the other is rated at 125 W is inconsequential here, given that most end-user motherboards will simply enable turbo all the time. This means the performance in most of our tests between the two is practically identical, and consummate to a 100-300 MHz frequency difference.

In practically all of our tests, the Core i7-10700K is ahead by a super slim margin. At $387 for the 10700K compared to $335 for the 10700, the performance difference is not enough to warrant the $52 price difference between the two. Performance per dollar sides mostly with the Core i7-10700, although users getting the i7-10700K will likely look towards overclocking their processor to get the most out of it – that ultimately is what to pay for.

The other comparison point is with the Ryzen 5 5600X, which has two fewer cores but costs $299. In practically every test, the increased IPC of the Ryzen over Intel means that it sits identical with the Core i7 processors, AMD is cheaper on list price, and at a much lower power (AMD will peak around 76 W, compared to 215 W). AM4 motherboards are also abundant, while corresponding Intel motherboards are still expensive. The problem here however is that AMD is having such high demand for its product lines right now that finding one in stock might be difficult, and it probably won’t be at its recommended price.

Users in this price bracket have a tough choice – the more efficient AMD processor that might be in stock, compared to the Intel processor that will be in stock but more cooling will likely be required.

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  • quiq - Sunday, January 24, 2021 - link

    I would have liked them to test the processors in addition to the heatsink that comes in the retail box, that would provide a sample of how the product behaves that an end user obtains when buying it. Obviously the use of a heatsink from a 3rd party manufacturer improves the performance of both due to the superior ability to eliminate heat, which helps to maintain the turbo frequencies for longer in both processors.
  • olde94 - Monday, January 25, 2021 - link

    one thing i don't see is that the CPU is officially rated 2.9ghz. Not 4.0 as the graphs seems to suggest. We are getting 4.0 with propper cooling, but what i gave it a 90W cooler? Would i end up back at 2.9ghz? We all know that frequency and powerdraw is never a linear curve so we might see 25% lower powerformance at 1/3 the power draw and as such their claim about 65w could be true, but that it peaks if allowed to. I mean don't get me wrong, it's shitty, but is it really that wrong though?
  • noxplague - Monday, January 25, 2021 - link

    Dr. Cuttess, thank you as always for these in-depth analyses.

    I would really like to see how this compares with the previous 9th generation Intel parts (9900, 9700, 9600, etc). However in your bench tool the 2020 and 2019 tests make this difficult. Couldn’t the data be back ported or forward ported and just put N\A for tests that aren’t in both datasets?
    I love then bench tool, but it’s recently hamstrung by not allowing for comparisons of 8th gen and 9th gen (and equivalent AMD parts)
  • Nesteros - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    I was under the impression that TDP was the maximum amount of thermal energy, measured in watts, that a CPU would ever produce and would need to be “removed” by the thermal solution, not the amount of energy measured in watts that a CPU consumes. Surely a processor is not converting all of the power it consumes into heat, else it would be a very efficient space heater and not a CPU.
  • Qasar - Thursday, January 28, 2021 - link

    take a look at this :
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13544/why-intel-pro...

    simply put, intel bases its TDP at BASE clocks, with what they would consider default settings. AMD, bases its TDP, on, for the most part, max power draw. same value, WAY different view of what TDP is between them
  • Peter-fra - Saturday, February 13, 2021 - link

    Dear Anandtech team, thanks a lot for this great clarification of the difference between K and non K Intel products. However, I would like to know what you think about these Geekbench multi-score results showing a gap of around 13% between the 10700 and 10700k on multi-core bench ?
    => https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks
    Since the difference of all core turbo frequency between those 2 processor is around 2-3% (4.7Ghz vs 4.6Ghz) I cannot understand why there would be a 13% gap on this benchmark ?
    Does it mean that the Geekbench aggregated data of the 10700 comes from OEM builds with entry level motherboard which doesn't maximize turbo (probably because the VRM are not great) and stay within the intel recommended turbo ?
  • Scour - Monday, February 15, 2021 - link

    That´s the end of my 350W-PSUs :(
  • stealth-katana - Friday, April 2, 2021 - link

    The image with the text written with a sharpie on the CPU is making me cringe. 🤣
  • briantim - Wednesday, September 8, 2021 - link

    http://home.anandtech.com/show/16343/intel-core-i7...

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