Foxconn e-bot

Overview

Foxconn has been involved with the computer industry for decades, but only recently have they begun to offer components for the retail market - at least in the North American market. Numerous OEM systems have used Foxconn motherboards, but OEM systems are rarely the best example of a manufacturer's quality. Foxconn's motherboards have typically been more conservative in approach, but with more recent models, we've begun to see a change. This is the first SFF that we've seen from Foxconn, and it differs from the typical SFF in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, different isn't necessarily good...

For starters, we're rather surprised to find that Foxconn's first SFF design - released just this past November - uses the outdated socket 478. Most of the socket 478 SFFs that we have in this roundup have been available since early 2004. As this is their first attempt at the market, that could explain the late release date. Given the number of motherboards that Foxconn has available for other platforms, we would like to see additional options in their SFF lineup. We would also like to see some modifications to the e-bot design, and hopefully, Foxconn can take what they've learned in building their first SFF and improve and refine it to create better offerings in the future.

Aesthetics


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If we were to try to give a one-word description to the look of the e-bot, it would have to be "unique". There are certainly no other SFFs that we've seen that look even remotely like the e-bot. The closest that we've seen would be to take one of the HP/Compaq desktop PCs and shrink it, while adding a handle to the top. Then change the color scheme a bit, and you have the e-bot. If that sounds good to you, you'll like the e-bot.

Nearly all of the SFFs that we have for review are metal cases with plastic used on parts of the front panel. There is some deviation in the specifics, but not a whole lot to separate them. The e-bot goes boldly into the realm of all plastic designs. There's still metal for the frame and underneath plastic, but the exposed surfaces are all made of plastic. The front, top and bottom are a silver-colored plastic, while the sides make use of a black panel with orange accents. The front also has some chrome highlights and buttons. All of the plastic is of the "shiny" variety, and at first glance, you might actually think the silver exterior is metal. From the front, the unit looks pretty good, but we really don't care much for the look of the side panels. Perhaps there is a market for such a case, but the majority of computer users probably won't like it.


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Continuing with the appearance from the front, the flash card reader is a pop-up design located at the top of the case. We don't use such readers much, and the ability to hide them from view is good. We do like the way that the optical drive matches the rest of the front; this is expected with a pre-installed drive, but it's nice regardless. The front panel also has an LCD display at the top of the unit. We may not have paid close enough attention to it during use, but as far as we could tell, all it was used for was to display a "Power On" message with a penguin walking back and forth, or an "analog" clock when the system is off. If you're not averse to doing some hacking, you might be able to get the display to show other pieces of information, but by default, it doesn't serve much purpose. It almost seems like the display was made for younger children - it's rather "cute-sy" in our view - but that doesn't make much sense; an Xbox and PS2 would together cost less money than the e-bot and would fit that market better.

Features


Foxconn e-bot
Dimension (w)180 mm x (h)275 mm x (d)300 mm
CPU Support Intel Socket 478 Northwood/Prescott up to P4 3.2GHz
Memory Support PC1600/PC2100/PC3200 up to 2GB; 2 DIMM slots
Motherboard P4P8T (proprietary)
SiS 661FX NB; 963 SB Chipsets
FSB 800/533/400MHz
Graphics SiS Integrated Graphics 32MB shared memory architecture
Expansion Slots 1 x PCI; 1 x AGP 8x
Power Supply 200W FPS Group Power Brick
2 x 4-pin Molex
Proprietary 4-pin Motherboard Connector
Internal Connections 1 x IDE
Audio AC97 SW audio, 6 channel codec
LAN 1 x 10/100 Mbps
Memory Card Reader Compact Flash Type I/II, Microdrive, Memory Stick,
Memory Stick Pro, Secure Digital, MultiMedia Card,
Smart Media Card
Drive Bay Proprietary Flash Reader
1 x 3.5 Internal (HDD)
1 x 5.25 External Half-Height (CD-RW/DVD Installed)
Front I/O 2 x USB 2.0
1 x IEEE1394 (4pin)
MIC, Head-phone
7-in-1 memory card reader Audio controls: play; stop; forward; back; volume
Power button
LCD Power/Clock
Rear I/O 2 x USB 2.0
1 x IEEE1394 (6pin)
PS/2 KB, PS/2 Mouse
VGA port (D-SUB)
RJ-45 LAN Port (10/100Mbps)
Micropone, Line-in/out, Speaker out
Overclocking SuperSpeed section in BIOS
Extras Fast-boot CD/MP3 Mode
Full Image Set Foxconn e-bot Pictures (1.0MB)
Manufacturer Link Foxconn e-bot

In the features area, the e-bot once again falls short. It still includes audio, network, USB, and firewire, but the network is only a 10/100 Mbit and the hard drive support is limited to IDE devices. There are also no serial or parallel ports available, and other than using a PCI add-in card, there is no possibility to add them. That omission isn't likely to matter to most people, but it is worth mentioning. On the plus side, the unit does include a pop-up 7-in-1 flash card reader as well as an integrated CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive. The optical drive is of the slim variety that is often found in laptop computers, however, so if you want DVDR support, you'll have to find such a drive on your own. While the Foxconn does have integrated graphics, they are not the same as those included in the other units. The reason for this is that Foxconn has chosen to use an SiS chipset instead of the more common Intel 865G.

In some ways, the e-bot is similar to the ASUS unit. It lacks an FM tuner, but it does have a "fast boot" mode where it can play audio CDs as well as CD/DVDs with MP3 files. Booting up into CD/MP3 mode takes about five seconds and works as expected, but when you can buy a standalone CD/MP3 player for under $100, it really isn't a major feature. The sound quality of the e-bot was the worst of the roundup, with both the front and rear headphone jacks containing static. The front port was so bad that we cannot see anyone being willing to use that port. The rear jack was a bit better, and within Windows, muting the AUX and MIC ports did cut down on some of the noise. Overall, the resulting sound quality isn't something that we would want to be heard through a good set of speakers. Unlike all of the other units, S/PDIF support is not provided, so you're stuck with the audio quality unless you want to add a separate sound card.


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Finally, in a dramatic break from the crowd, Foxconn has chosen to omit an internal power supply. Instead, they have a power brick like the kind you typically find with laptops, and it has a proprietary 4 pin power connector. Somewhat interesting to note is that the power brick actually includes ventilation holes on the ends and has a small fan inside to help keep the various components cooled. During heavy use, the power brick did generate a small amount of noise, but it was drowned out by the rest of the system. With the power brick rated at 200W, we were extremely skeptical about whether or not it would be able to provide sufficient power to the system when using a high-end graphics card. Initial tests were okay, but our "stress test" of the system - a continuously looping run of 3DMark03 - caused a hard crash every time when we ran it for more than 30 minutes. We spoke with Foxconn on the topic of graphics cards, and they said that their internal testing had also shown the system to be unstable with a 6800GT card, but that it ran well with a 6600GT.

Biostar iDEQ 210P (cont'd) Foxconn e-bot (cont'd)
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  • CrystalBay - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    Hi, How about the dual Opteron Iwill, that keeps flashing on the right.
  • skunklet - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    there is an ideq with an embedded c3 proc that i would love to see a review of.
  • gerf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    I'd been looking at that Biostar SFF, as its specs are better than the equivalent Shuttle version, and is much cheaper. And now you drop a great review for it! I think that both I and my brother are going to use it for our new systems. Thank you for the kickarse review!
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    #6 - fixed, along with a few other things I noticed. If anyone sees anything else, feel free to drop me a line.

    #7/#8 - both of those are on the list of S939 systems we have coming for review. (We haven't received the PCIe one yet, but it should arrive sometime soon.) Unfortunately, most of the "high end" SFFs that we currently have are S775 for whatever reason. I think we have eight 775 units and only three 939 right now. I'd really like to see additional S754 units as well, since Sempron is moving in that direction.

    I think one of the reasons that we're seeing more Intel SFFs is due to the chipset support. 865G is really almost the same price as 865PE, so the integrated graphics are "free". They're not good for gaming, but for most other tasks they work well. The only AMD platform chipsets with IGP are currently the outdated VIA K8M800 and the SiS stuff, although there are some newer offerings.

    In case any of you aren't aware of this, we really can't afford to simply go out and purchase every item that we want to review. Since the reviews are basically "free" advertising (although if a unit has serious problems, it may not be good), the manufacturers have to send us the parts. In case any manufacturers are reading this, get in touch with us and we'll be happy to review any of your SFFs that you send our way! There are quite a few manufacturers that aren't currently represented.
  • Phantronius - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    Im hoping the SN25P turns out to be reliable unlike the SN95G.

    That and the way the PCI-E cards are facing the opposite direction makes me wonder about heat with both slots taken up. Hrmm....
  • REMF - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    AT - don't even consider doing your high-end round up until you have the new nForce4 P-series Shuttle due to be released at the end of the month.

    i would also like to see the nForce3 G5-Series Shuttle compared against it, and other high-end SFF chassis'. :D
  • AtaStrumf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    WAU, that is one massive review! Good work guys.

    Just one typo to point out on page 8:

    The iDEQ doesn't include any notable extras **included**, but it does have all of the high quality standard features that we like.

    There was one more "it" that shoud have been "if", but I forgot where it was. Sorry :-)

    I thought this article would include a MAC mini, but I guess that will be a separate article altogether.

    If I may, I would suggest you only focus on SFF systems which stand out in a positive way and stay clear of the ones that don't. Just seems like a lot of pointless work.
  • MIDIman - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    Been waiting for anand's SFF reviews. Looking forward to the A64-939 / Intel 775 review that I'm sure will be next.

    arswihart - Note that the SB61G2V3 is Shuttle's latest socket 478, Intel-based system. All of their newer products are socket 775 which will be in a later review. However, I think there are plenty on the AMD side that could've been covered instead that are socket 754...the SN85G4V3 ain't too shabby.
  • quidpro - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    Absolutely no way that 7 bright blue leds in the Aopen (which only get brighter) should be considered acceptable or "minor" for an entertainment system, in my opinion. My shuttle has only two lights and I've had to cover them up with electrical tape with a small pinhole in order to cut down on the extremely distracting glare coming from it while watching a movie...the orange HD led flashes (as it should) which is even more distracting...
  • arswihart - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link

    what the hell were they thinking when they chose to review this obsolete Shuttle system?

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