Final Words

We were impressed with the performance and overclocking that we found with the 90nm 3500+. However, it is very difficult to draw any conclusions based on a single sample, so we also bought a 90nm 3000+ from another vendor. These two processors, at different speeds and from different sources, performed similarly enough to allow us to draw some broad conclusions about the performance of the new 90nm Athlon 64 processors. The new 3500+, 3200+, and 3000+ perform from 1% to 7% faster than comparable 130nm parts. We still don't know if this is the result of the die-shrink or the new DH8-D0 revision. We checked all recent Athlon 64 in the lab and we could not find a D0 A64 for comparison. We have asked AMD to shed some light on what we found in our testing, and we will report what AMD says about the performance improvements as soon as we receive the information from AMD.

Based on the Performance tests alone, there is reason to be pleased with what we know of the AMD die-shrink so far. If you also consider the fact that AMD appears to have accomplished the shrink to 90nm without an increase in heat, the process move should be considered a big success. We won't know this for sure until we see the fastest AMD chips in 90nm clothes - that is where the thermal impact of the shrink will be most visible.

The other side of the equation is headroom or overclocking. AMD enthusiasts have always seemed to flock to value chips in the AMD family. More than Intel users, AMD enthusiasts seem to always want something for nothing. It's not because they are cheap necessarily, but because AMD won them over by providing outstanding value points in their product line. In fact, many AMD users have hung on to Socket A technology long after it was significantly outperformed in the market because they could buy the Athlon XP cheap and overclock the heck out of it. Those users will love the new 90nm chips in general - and the 90nm 3000+ in particular.

They will love the new 90nm chips because they can buy a 3000+ running at 1.8GHz for less than $200 and still have a good chance of reaching 2.6GHz with very little effort with the same chip. 2.6GHz is faster than any current Athlon 64, and it is, in fact, the speed that we expect from the upcoming FX55 - the new Athlon 64 top-of-the-line. It's been a while since we've seen this kind of headroom on an AMD chip, and those who were waiting for 90nm to get a magic overclocker will get in line to buy the new 90nm 3000+.

The major impact of the new 90nm Athlon 64 chips may not be quite as obvious. Prior to the new 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+ 90nm chips, the entry point to dual-channel 939 was the $400 3500+. As a result, buyers saw the Socket 754 as the value solution for Athlon 64 shoppers, where they could buy a 754 Sempron 3100+ for about $120 or a full 64-bit 2800+ for around $140. The new 3000+ should cost about the same as the 130nm 3000+ once the new settles into the market. That will make the cost of entry for the top 939 chipset well below $200 for the CPU. Many buyers who would have bought 939 if it had been cheaper will now be able to buy 939.

This leads us to future directions for 754 and 939. Roadmaps show 754 ending in late 2005, but 5 quarters is still a lifetime in CPU sockets. AMD plans to discontinue Socket A and move all processors to Socket 754/939/940. This will likely mean that we will see even cheaper 754 processors to entice buyers who found Athlon XP prices attractive. 754 will likely move much lower before it goes away in a year or so, and 939 will also likely move down a bit further as 90nm is fully implemented and production costs go down. All-in-all, it's becoming a very good time to be in the market for an Athlon 64 processor.

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  • ViRGE - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    I agree with #3, some more numbers would be nice, preferably at least one Northwood, a Prescott, and a S754 3400+(2.4ghz).
  • IceWindius - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Wow, I wonder what types of memory will work best with the Athlons in the .90 die size? I'd love to be able to get a 3000+ at 2.6 and have extra money in my pocket for other things! Sucks that nForce 4 won't have AGP for my 6800GT so I'll just get a Asus A8V and stay with AGP for one more generation.

    Go AMD go, I can't wait to get rid of my intel setup and go back to my one and only AMD!
  • Myrandex - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Sweet article and good results. 90nm is predicted in my near future.
  • Bugler - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Thank you for the write of AnandTech. We have been waiting for some guidance and this is much appreciated. I will probably buy the rest of my AMD build (motherboard and CPU) next weeks. The rest of the parts have arrived. Was just waiting on an assessment of the 90nm chips.
  • ariafrost - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    And I thought the days of nearly 50% overclocks were long gone (I had a Celeron 300A @ 450MHz waaayy back)...

    My next proc will be a 939 90nm part, and mobo will be Nforce 4 :)
  • ModFX - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Nice finally be able to afford a socket 939 just got to wait to some NForce 4 boards come out and have revision 2 so they have 1GHz HT.

    Theres a couple of other typos such as saying "but they confirmed that the AMD 130nm process appears to run at least as cool as current 130nm processors."

    I believe it should have said on the first 130nm (90nm).
  • xsilver - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    I'm having problems finding benchies that compare these new cpus with my current rig.... how much of a performance gap are we talking about over a 3.0 northwood? 50%?
  • Decoder - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Thanks for this super article. My next upgrade will be a AMD64 3000+ on a NForce 4 board! Kudos to AMD.
  • Degrador - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    These look like great chips - I'd say my next processor will be a 90nm 3000+.

    Btw, you've got the table a little screwy for overclocking - the processor speeds are labelled the wrong way around, and for the 3000+ overclock it should be 2592 (assuming 288x9).

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