Elite PC Titan FX: BIOS and Overclocking



The Titan FX uses the familiar Award BIOS on the MSI K8T Master 2 motherboard. The available options should be very familiar to the Gamer and Computer Enthusiast who are the target audience for the Elite PC Titan FX, so we will not repeat the obvious.



While there is a Frequency and Voltage control section in the BIOS, the only adjustment that can be made is to the CPU FSB, with a range of 200 to 233. There are no adjustments available at all for voltage.



This also extends to the memory timings options. While you can force memory speed, there are no adjustments available for memory timings. Fortunately, the MSI does read and set SPD timings properly, which is why we see the excellent 2-3-2-8 timings with the Mushkin High Performance ECC Registered memory.



A very complete selection of system monitoring functions is available in the BIOS for the MSI K8T. This includes the option to control fan speeds automatically. We strongly recommend you use these fan control options to set the system for automatic fan speeds controlled by system temperature.



The Titan FX also comes with MSI's Core Center Pro windows-based utility for system monitoring and overclocking control. Since there are so few real options for tweaking and overclocking on this Workstation board, Core Center is mainly useful as a monitoring utility that works in Windows. None of the overclocking controls appear to work, but it is possible to set monitoring options.

FSB Overclocking Results

We are not surprised that only very limited overclocking controls are available on a board that is aimed at the Workstation market. With so few controls, we really did not expect much in overclocking, but we were able to reach a raw speed of 211 (844FSB), or about a 6% overclock, with stability. Any setting above 211 caused memory failure. We have tested Mushkin and OCZ's registered memory to about 220 (DDR440) with slower timings on other motherboards.

Front Side Bus Overclocking Testbed
Default Voltage
Processor: Athlon64 FX1
2.2GHz
CPU Voltage: 1.5V (default)
Cooling: AVC/MSI Heatsink/Fan
Power Supply: Sparkle 460W
Maximum OC: 2320MHz (+6%)
211FSB

We have been able to reach overclocks of about 230 (DDR460) by lowering the memory setting to 333 on nF3 boards as well. We suspect that if we had the ability to increase memory voltage or actually tweak memory timings, we might get better overclocks on this board.

Elite PC Titan FX: Stress Testing

We performed stress tests on the Elite PC Titan FX in these areas and configurations:

1. Chipset and motherboard stress testing, conducted by running the FSB at 210MHz.
2. Memory stress testing, conducted by running RAM at 400MHz with 2 DIMM slots filled and at 400MHz with all 4 DIMM slots filled at the lowest memory timings possible.

Front Side Bus Stress Test Results:

A full range of stress tests and benchmarks were run to ensure the Titan FX system was absolutely stable at the overclocked FSB speed of 211. This included Prime95 torture tests, and the addition of other tasks like data compression, various DX8 and DX9 games, and apps like Word and Excel. Finally, we ran our benchmark suite, which includes ZD Winstone suite, Unreal Tournament 2003, SPECviewperf 7.0, and Gun Metal Benchmark 2. At default voltage, 211MHz was the highest overclock that we were able to achieve with the Titan FX while running these tests. Since failures at higher overclocks were always related to memory, we suspect that we could achieve a higher overclock if memory timings were adjustable on the MSI K8T Master-2 motherboard.

Memory Stress Test Results:

The memory stress test simply tests the ability of the Titan FX system to operate at its officially supported memory frequency (400MHz DDR) at the lowest supported memory timings that the shipped Mushkin High Performance ECC Registered Modules will support:

Stable DDR400 Timings — 2 DIMMs
(2/4 Dual-Channel DIMMs populated)
Clock Speed: 200MHz
Timing Mode: N/A
CAS Latency: 2.0
Bank Interleave: N/A
RAS to CAS Delay: 3T
RAS Precharge: 8T
Precharge Delay: 2T
Command Rate: N/A

We had no problem running the 2 DS 512MB DIMMs in Dual-Channel mode with complete stability. While the motherboard sets SPD timings only, the actual memory timings that were running were 2-3-2-8 as confirmed by CPU-Z, Version 1.20a.

Filling all available memory banks is more strenuous on the memory subsystem than testing 2 DIMMs, so we tried filling all 4 memory slots — 2 Dual-Channel banks — with Mushkin High Performance ECC memory. While the system would reach the initial boot screen, it could not complete a system boot. We thought perhaps that the SPD timings might be a bit aggressive for 4 DIMMs on the VIA K8T800 board, so we tried 4 x 512Mb Legacy Electronics Registered ECC DIMMs, which we have run in an nVidia nForce3 Reference Board with no problems. The Legacy registered memory has 2.5-3-3-6 timings, but the 4 DIMMs of Legacy memory also would not boot. We also could not get even 2 sticks of Legacy CAS 2.5 to boot on the MSI K8T Master. We then tried OCZ EC registered 3200 and Kingston ECC Registered 3200. Both these memories booted fine when we installed 2 DIMMs. The OCZ has 2-3-2-8 timings like the Mushkin, while the Kingston is based on Samsung chips and has 3-3-3-8 timings.

Finally, we tried 4 Kingston ECC Registered DIMMs, which we had pulled from another system. While 2 booted fine, we could not get 4 DIMMs to go past the initial boot screen. In the end, no combination of 4 DS 512MB ECC Registered DIMMs would work. It appears the MSI K8T Master-2 is very sensitive to the memory it is fed. Our advice is to plan to use 2 DIMMs, or to order the Titan FX with 4 DIMMs. Elite PC does offer this option and this should deliver the working 4 DIMMs if that is what you want. Do not plan to just grab 4 ECC Registered DIMMs for this board as there is no assurance that they will work properly.

Frankly, we have seen difficulty going beyond 2 DIMMs on VIA K8T800 motherboards for both Athlon64 and Athlon64FX Opteron. It appears that the chipset is very picky about the memory used beyond 2 DIMMs.

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  • tfranzese - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    If you people actaully read the FX articles posted you would find that their HT links are still intact and the chip is multiple processor capable.

    Either way, if in the future it isn't, that doesn't mean that because you bought a single chip computer that because you have a dually board that you've been shafted. You're stupid if you think that. It probably saves ElitePC time and money to buy in bulk the MSI's and just use them for all their systems.
  • Doop - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    Sorry if I sound ignorant but the Athlon FX is not multiprocessor compatible? So you buy this system then when you want to add a second processor you have to buy 2 and sell the Athlon FX?

    I may be wrong about that but I'm pretty sure...
  • KristopherKubicki - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    I have both the MSI and Sony DVD writers. They are identical :) (roundup coming up soon!)

    Kristopher
  • destaccado - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    well looks like elitepc is trying to save a few dollars already, the computer does not come with a sony dvd writer, it's msi (check their site) and on top of that it doesn't list the name brand for the power supply or the dvd-rom, also you can't even configure it with a second athlon fx although this might not be fair to fault them for since you may be able to over the phone........check reseller ratings....
  • destaccado - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    Wow after looking at reseller ratings I don't see how you guys can in good faith recommend them .....a 4.67 lifetime rating? That's pathetic even if it is 20 something odd reviews, obviously their customers don't care to rate them very high, or at all, and on top of that- according to their warranty on their website they reserve the right to simply pay for shipping in leau of on-site service so I'm guessing anyone who doesn't live in Az isn't getting a tech to their home and the service is definately not overnight.....It's ok though I understand you guys can't rip their pc and you gave me a good idea of the fx performance.....
  • Anubis - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    are we gonna see a test with 2 CPUs?? i like to see thoes scores

    also 300$ is a good deal because the dell XPX is that expensive and so are similar comps from Falcon NW and Voodoo PC as well as others that offer super high end gameing systems. compaired to a 6000$ FNW 3000$ is a steal
  • Oxonium - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    That's the first thing I thought of when I saw this review. You CAN'T upgrade to dual Athlon 64 FX. The extra HT links are disabled. An upgrade to the Opteron 2xx series would be needed. I'm surprised that ElitePC went through all the trouble to use a dual board but doesn't offer an option to order dual processors on their configuration page. Strange.
  • acemcmac - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    How is 3000$ a "value" with ANY loadout? A fully pimped 875 rig will only run you 1500$ tops retail, and it will prolly be useful for top of of the line games just as long too...
  • Shinei - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    Yeah, it's gotta be the XT; there's no way it could be the beast that it is without it... Though even with a Pro instead of an XT that's still downright BRUTAL performance.
    What makes me curious is why they made the motherboard a dualie; AFX is basically a 14x Opteron chip, so it can't link up between processors... Unless they figured out how to re-enable those other two HT links?
  • Booja555 - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    What GPU does it use? on page one you say ATIR 9800XT, on page 2 you say ATIR 9800Pro.
    Somehow I get the feeling that it's the XT, looking at all the other specs a pro would be an unecasary bottleneck.

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