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Calling back to Computex, ASUS first announced a new Transformer device based on ‘Intel’s Next Generation’ processor. We knew it was Kaby Lake, but given the launch cycle for KBL it was understandable that the device was still a couple of months out and a work in process. At that point of the game the hardware specifications are typically squared away, and final touches are being made to the design ID as well as strong work on the software platform and ramping up the manufacturing aspect. We expect ASUS to launch their new Transformer products in due course.

At Intel’s pre-briefing for Kaby Lake, several systems were on display from HP all using the new processors. Specifications were not discussed, however devices with 4K panels and a variety of sizes were shown, including what looked like an upgraded Spectre, as well as a notebook with an OLED display.

This week is the annual IFA trade show in Berlin, which focuses on complete consumer electronics rather than components, as well as home appliances, IoT, and other things in-between. We have presentations and press events for a wide variety of companies including Acer, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, ZTE, and Sony, all of whom could be announcing something around Kaby Lake. (Qualcomm and AMD are also presenting at the show, but something tells me it isn’t to do with KBL.)

Explaining Why There’s No Desktop Parts Today

For the majority of enthusiasts, PC builders and gamers, questions about the time frame of the desktop processor launches, the benefits they bring and the pricing are swirling around the zeitgeist. Intel has confirmed with today’s launch that a wider array of Kaby Lake parts will be launched in January, including Iris graphics enabled processors, desktop parts, enterprise parts and workstation SKUs (vPro and Xeons, one would assume).

Despite the fact that this is still 14nm, one could assume that 14nm+ was focused on the small die parts first to improve yield before the larger desktop parts were produced, depending on how difficult the shift from 14 to 14+ actually was. There’s also the consideration about Intel’s product lines: Skylake on the desktop was only launched 12 months ago, and the next generation 10nm Intel product is - admittedly looking into a very foggy crystal ball - over a year away and will be mobile focused again as smaller dies are easier to make. Intel has to sufficiently space out its product stacks to ensure maximum profit, appease shareholders, but also give their customers a regular, expected update cycle. There’s a reason we don’t see the best product Intel could ever make on day one at unlimited expense.

Given that Intel has said that KBL is a similar IPC to SKL, it might be a bit worrying if desktop performance of the new parts is identical to the old ones, merely bumped up in frequency. Typically a small frequency bump mirrors a basic overclock; importantly however, if the pitch has been widened to allow a higher frequency, this could have a beneficial knock on effect for overclocking. Despite marketing efforts, Intel still limits overclocking to the two high-end SKUs, so how well Kaby Lake overclocks could prove important with desktop enthusiasts. If it overclocks better than Skylake, then we might be looking at the Skylake equivalent of the Haswell Refresh/Devil's Canyon. However if KBL offers the same OC frequency as SKL, and the same performance due to a similar IPC, then enthusiasts might not be interested. Ultimately Intel is going to market the new chips as a 3-5 year upgrade option for users still on Nehalem, Westmere and Sandy Bridge. This is ultimately where Intel believes most of the upgrade sales are coming from, rather than users jumping from Skylake.

The other factor is the motherboard side of the equation. We know that Kaby Lake on the desktop is to be accompanied by a new chipset launch as well, the 200-series, and typically if we were expecting a September launch then we would have seen motherboard examples at Computex. At the show, only MSI had an ‘unlabeled 200-series’ motherboard on show, which looked pretty identical to a Z170 product already on sale barring the design ID. We don’t yet know the benefits of the 200-series chipset over the 100-series line, and a release date in January would mean that motherboard manufacturers should now be in the final design steps for their major SKUs.

Saying ‘January’ as a launch date is quite vague. But, January has the annual CES event in Las Vegas during the first week after New Year, which is a common time to launch new CPUs after the holiday season finishes and people are ‘rested’.

Finally, it’s also worth noting that AMD is planning to enable widespread availability for their new Zen set of CPUs in Q1. So a January launch for desktop Kaby Lake could provide a more contested one for Intel. (If they also launch at CES, I need to start bulk ordering caffeine drips today. Goodbye sleep, it was nice knowing you. I may not be seen the rest of January.)

After all that, I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced Kay-bee Lake.

Updated 14nm, Speed Shift v2, Performance Updates Appendix: Kaby Lake Briefing Slides
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  • negusp - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    That was exactly what I was thinking. 20% better power consumption combined with better thermals and performance should make new fanless devices far more powerful.
    Let's hope OEMs don't slaughter the TDP.
  • Martyprod - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    I was on the way to buy a i7 6700 (Mini-Itx), must i wait for the desktop release in january ? does it worth it as the desktop version will feature iris graphics and not the HD 530 graphics...

    i have a GT 640 Nvivida actually that i use it only Video editing, open GL and Cuda encoding. i'm curious to know if a i7 6700 is more powerful with quicksync than the 384 cores of Cuda that i have, if yes, as the future desktop kaby lake i5/i7 trough the Iris HD graphics will certainly do better, maybe it would worth it ? as i'm trying to buil a machine with no more graphic card...
    any suggestion ?
  • vladx - Thursday, September 1, 2016 - link

    Only Iris Pro would beat a GT 640 so it's not more powerful since a 6700 has only a HD 530 iGPU.
  • karma77police - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    I hope AMD new Zen performs same as 8 Core Broadwell-E and if they get pricing right they will make both Broadwell-E and this Kaby Lake crap obsolete.
  • negusp - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    Don't see it happening, unfortunately. I predict Haswell-like performance with Zen. However, the Zen APU's for mobile should have killer iGPUs.
  • silverblue - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    IF. There's nothing stopping AMD ramping up their prices if they have a competitive product, though I doubt we'll see them as they were in the early to mid-2000s. I wouldn't be surprised to see the absolute high end at about $350-$400 with the best APUs in the $200-$250 range (AMD has released $160+ APUs before so throwing out something with 50%+ faster CPU and 30-40% better GPU would probably be worth $200+).
  • andrewaggb - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    I saw another review showing way better throttling, power consumption, performance etc for the 7500U vs 6500U. This looks like a boring release but if the thermals are that much better this is actually an exciting release for laptops and 2 in 1's. They also upped the boost clocks a lot, it might be a good overclocker on the desktop side. Of course it's all wait and see but this might be a good release even if there weren't any IPC gains.
  • fanofanand - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    It doesn't seem like temps have been the limiting factor with Skylake overclocking, so better thermals may not necessarily be an indicator of potential overclocking performance. My understanding is the z-height issues were preventing soldering the lid, (not sure how they were able to remedy that for DC) so whether or not KL is a solid overclocker will have more to do with other factors than temps.
  • fallaha56 - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    has anyone actually made VP9 acceleration work on their Skylake system?!

    i certainly haven't on my SurfacePro4 -with the latest driver from MS...
  • negusp - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    VP9 is only partially supported in terms of encoding and decoding (Intel was kinda hazy on that). I force H.264 on Chrome simply because I don't have bandwidth issues and shouldn't need VP9.

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