Miscellaneous Aspects and Concluding Remarks

Prior to proceeding to the business end of the review, it is time to take a look at some of the bundled features of the Seagate Innov8. The drive comes with an installer for Seagate Dashboard - an optional management application. The installer can also process the online registration for the unit. The Dashboard program allows users to configure backups, process them, and also restore data from the backups. Select cloud services (Dropbox, Google Drive and OneDrive) are also available as backup targets.

The Dashboard can also be used to configure the Innov8 - processing drive tests, controlling the LEDs, configuring drive spin-down intervals etc.

The Seagate Innov8 includes 200GB of Microsoft OneDrive cloud storage for two years and Lyve software compatibility for multimedia management and access from any device or location. Seagate's MSRP for the Innov8 is $349. However, we currently see the unit back-ordered at most e-tailers, with availability slated for the first week of June. The pre-order price is also higher than the MSRP mentioned in Seagate's launch PR, with the current Amazon street price being $390.

The combination of power from the in-built battery and the bus power from most Type-C ports should make the Seagate Innov8 compatible with most modern platforms. Ignition Boost seems to be a clever way to tackle the start-up power requirements of hard drives in bus-powered enclosures. However, the longevity of the battery is a bit of a concern, and Seagate provides no concrete numbers except for the 2-year warranty. Another concern is that some Type-C ports actually do not follow the full Type-C specifications - so, if they mistakenly advertise 7.5W, but only support the default power profile (4.5W), it is a hit-or-miss situation when it comes to being able to use the Innov8 with that port. [ Update (Comments from Seagate): Ignition Boost only uses 1% of the battery each time to spin up the drive, and is not used once the drive is actually operating. This should give a much longer lifetime to the internal battery, compared to other mobile devices embedding a battery that we use on a daily basis, like laptop or mobile phones. Also, given that Type-C Power Delivery specifications have the potential to offer up to 100W, we can imagine that in the Future, Innov8 will be less dependent on the battery for spinning up. ]

We are not big fans of shingled magnetic recording (SMR), the technology used in the Archive HDD. The performance is not very predictable, and there is noticeable degradation - particularly for large amounts of data within a small time window, and, for data that is read back within a short time after writing. Despite these limitations, I do agree with Seagate that there are use-cases where this is not a concern at all. For example, continuous back-up of data that only changes by small amounts at a time, and storage of data for archival purposes are not affected. In any case, the firmware on the Archive HDD present in the Innov8 is much more suited for consumer use-cases when compared to what shipped with the original Archvie HDDs last year. As long as SMR can deliver a significant bump in capacity while keeping costs low, I think the technology is worth pursuing.

On the whole, the Seagate Innov8 is a very interesting product from an engineering perspective. We would have liked this to be a modular product with user-replaceable hard drives and batteries. Given that helium drives are also making its way into the consumer market and have excellent power profiles, we are quite sure that SMR-based Archive HDDs are not going to be the only option for this class of products. The Seagate Innov8 does minimize cable clutter in a desktop environment, and many consumers might appreciate that. The industrial design also seems to target the typical LaCie market. We believe that the Innov8 should be marketed under the LaCie brand.

The Seagate Backup Plus 8TB (based on the same HDD, and with the same 200GB OneDrive cloud storage offer) currently sells for $230, while the Innov8 is around $390 on Amazon right now. The WD 8TB My Book external hard drive is priced at $250 and comes with a helium drive that provides more predictable performance, though it doesn't have any cloud storage offers associated with it. Is the significant price premium (more than $150) for the Innov8 worth it for the reduction in cable clutter, a battery inside the unit, aluminum chassis and a more pleasing industrial design? That is for the consumer to decide.

Performance Consistency, Power and Thermal Characteristics
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  • chekk - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    Ganesh, any idea if the firmware used in this version is also present in the latest standard Archive models? I tried out an internal 8TB last year and was impressed until a large sequential write slowed to < 10 MB/s and didn't really recover.
  • ganeshts - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    I believe Seagate tunes firmware depending on where the drive is going to end up (i.e., firmware on the external drive models will differ from what is offered for archival purposes - the standalone SATA drives).

    I will ask Seagate whether it is possible to update the firmware on the CTUs that I received last year. FWIW, the Seagate website says it is not possible to upgrade the firmware on any of the ST8000AS0002 models.
  • eddieobscurant - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    Yes it is. I have 2 archive 8tb from 6 months ago with fw ver AR15 and bought another 2 last week with fw ver AR17, although as ganesh said seagate doesn't provide a way to upgrade the fw to my old ones.

    I ran a few quick benches (atto, crystal disk mark, etc) between the 2 fw versions without noticing any differences
  • treecrab - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    Ganesh,
    About large file transfer slowdown: it might be a Windows quirk. I've noticed it on machines with largish (32GB) amount of memory. Basically, when writing several large files, Windows starts to push next file in queue while previous is still being flushed from cache, resulting in disk trashing. It's not very noticeable on a regular harddrive, but on SMR it is going to be bad. Can you repeat that large file writing test but from Linux? Or pull memory out from you windows machine so it can't cache so much?
  • ganeshts - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    It is the same test that works perfectly fine on a large number of other DAS units that I have reviewed [ for example, here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10208/lacie-porsche-... ] - so, I am quite positive the slowdown has got to do with SMR. Btw, ref. caching - the files are transferred from / transferred to a RAM drive so that the aspect of the source disk speed is negated, and we are testing pure external drive performance.

    Also, in modern machines, users are definitely going to have large amounts of memory - our testing is as much real-world as it can be :)
  • treecrab - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    Sure, as I said, it's not noticeable (only audible) on regular drives. My point is that the problem is not with SMR alone, but with the way Windows interacts with it. And I'm not disputing test results or they applicability to real world scenarios (although Linux and Mac users might find the drive behaving differently). I'm more interested in finding a good explanation for the phenomenon, hence my cache hypothesis. Other way to check - simply write only one, but humongous file instead of several merely huge ones - If I'm right, there will be no drastic slowdowns (except for usual inner cylinder slump)
  • bananaforscale - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    As far as I know it's even more of a problem on Linux.
  • hlmcompany - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    My use for bus-powered drives requires that they be portable. Unfortunately, this 3.5" drive is not suited for such a purpose.
  • MrSpadge - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    Seagate is not aiming this at replacing every other external drive.
  • adityarjun - Thursday, May 19, 2016 - link

    What happens 3 years down the lone when the battery can no longer hold any charge? WIll it be easily replaceable? Will seagate still manufacture these batteries or are they gonna do a Motorola and refuse to repair them? What about 10 years down the line.
    The battery component seems to be a huge risk.

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