Power Consumption: Big Improvements to Video Playback

It was teased earlier in the review, but it makes sense at this stage to talk about power consumption.

With a system as complex as a modern APU or SoC, the initial plans for this review involved getting a development system with the right shunts and hooks to measure the core and graphics power separately in a thermally unconstrained environment for both Kaveri and Carrizo, but unfortunately the parts didn’t come together at the time they were needed. Instead we had access to a Watts Up PRO, a power outlet based monitor with some recording capabilities. While the hardware was not ideal for what we wanted to test, it provided a large chunk of interesting data.

We did a number of tests with data monitoring enabled on both the HP Elitebooks. When AMD released Carrizo, a lot of fuss was made about video playback for several reasons. Firstly, Carrizo implements an adjusted playback pathway for data so instead of moving data from the decoder to the GPU to the display controller, it moves data directly from decoder to display, saving power in the process.

AMD also listed the video playback power of Carrizo (as compared to Kaveri) as significantly reduced. In the example above in the top right, the Kaveri APU is consuming nearly 5W, whereas Carrizo will consume only 1.9W for 1080p content.

The other video playback optimization in Carrizo is the Unified Video Decoder. The bandwidth and capability of the UVD is increased four-fold, allowing the system to ‘sleep’ between completed frames, saving power.

Video Playback, 1080p30 h264

For the first test, we took a 1920x1080 resolution h264 video at 30 FPS (specifically Big Buck Bunny) and recorded the power consumption for playback.

The difference here is striking. The Carrizo system in this instance has sustained power consumption lower than that of the Kaveri system. Overall the Kaveri system draws 11W over idle to play back our test video while the Carrizo system only draws 6.8W over idle for the same task. Put another way, the load power cost at the wall for  watching 1080p video is about 4W lower on Carrizo as compared to Kaveri, which is close to what AMD claimed in the first slide above (and note we’re measuring at the wall, so chances are there are other chipset optimizations being done under the hood).

Video Playback, 2160p30 h264

The same video but in 4K format was also tested on both systems. It is at this point I should say that the Kaveri system was unable to play the 4K video properly (Kaveri doesn't officially support 4K decoding to begin with), and would only show about 20% of the frames. Audio was also affected.

In this case power consumption is above that of the 1080p video, and both systems require around 11 watts from idle to sustained performance. The added benefit with Carrizo though is that you can actually watch the video.

Other Power Benchmarks

We also ran power tests on a set of our regular benchmarks to see the results.

Three-Dimensional Particle Movement

In our 3DPM test, we typically script up a batch of six runs and take the average score. For this we did it to the single thread and multithreaded environments.

In single threaded mode, two interesting things occurred. First, as we expected, the Carrizo system can idle lower than the Kaveri. Second is that the Carrizo system actually goes into a higher power state at load by almost 4W. This means that the delta (Load to Idle) is 8W higher for Carrizo than Kaveri.

It is easy to take away from this that Carrizo, as an APU, uses more power. But that is not what is happening. Carrizo, unlike Kaveri, integrates the chipset onto the same die as the APU (better integration, saves power), but it also means that it is essentially shut off at idle. Part of Carrizo’s optimizations is power management, so the ability to shut something down and fire it back up again gives a larger low-to-high delta automatically. Essentially, more things are turning on. The fact that the Carrizo power numbers are higher than Kaveri during the benchmark is correlated by the performance, despite Kaveri having the higher TDP.

For the multithreaded test, both systems settle to similar power consumptions as the single threaded test, although the Carrizo system has a much more varied power profile, which also finishes the benchmark earlier than the Kaveri.

Octane and Kraken

For the web tests, we expect them to be partially threaded but because they probe a number of real-world and synthetic tests, there should be some power variation.

Octane is actually relatively flat, instigating similar power profiles to both. Again, it looks like that Carrizo expends more energy to do the same amount of work, however it is easy to forget that the Carrizo idle power state is lower due to optimizations.

With Kraken we also get a flat profile, although one could argue that we’re seeing a classic case of running quick and finishing the benchmark sooner vs. a more sedate path.

WebXPRT

This graph was shown earlier in the review, but let’s look at it again, as it is a good example of a bursty workload:

With average power numbers only a few watts above the idle numbers, both systems do a good job on overall power though again it is easy to think that the larger delta of the Carrizo numbers means that the APU is consuming more power. This is where if you try and calculate the actual energy consumed for each system, you get stupid numbers: 1208.7 joules for the Kaveri and 1932.8 joules for the Carrizo. Without starting from the same platform (or without taking numbers direct from the cores), there are obviously other things at play (such as Carrizo’s capability to control more power planes).

WinRAR

Our final power test is WinRAR, which is characterized as a variable threaded load involving lots of little compressible web files and a handful of uncompressible videos.

In this instance I was surprised to see both systems perform similarly. The HP Elitebook G2 actually has the upper hand here, as it is equipped with dual channel memory. WinRAR is a very memory bandwidth affected benchmark, so the G2 has an upper hand in performance but will also balance between drawing more power for two modules or running in a more efficient mode if there is sufficient data at the CPU.

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  • Gadgety - Sunday, February 7, 2016 - link

    So AMD's marketing and distribution strategy is a failure. The way it's described it would seem consumers specifying their own PCs would be a away around the dominant logic determined by the existing channels. With today's production technology tailor made products on demand should be possible.

    The other thing I don't get, is why doesn't AMD release a desktop Carrizo 4K capable APU for the FM2+ platform? Do they want to help the motherboard manufacturers sell more motherboards once the new AM4 socket APU:s are out in 2017, or do they want to sell their own existing products?
  • JMC2000 - Sunday, February 7, 2016 - link

    I think it's more along the lines of having an installed base of AM4 boards before any Zen-based APUs roll out.

    It is possible that if the Athlon X4 845 sells well, AMD could release a full Carrizo part on FM2+.
  • AlB80 - Sunday, February 7, 2016 - link

    What is discrete graphic chip in Lenovo?
    512sp GCN1.2.... I suspect that this combination is unreal.
  • Jamesiii - Sunday, February 7, 2016 - link

    I have actually ordered Dell's AMD A8-8600P. It is intended as a media machine with the selling points being the low power equating to quiet and the 4K capability. The one thing I did notice is that he does have the Single Channel DDR3L 1600MHz memory. There is no indication on if it unlocks the watts to 35, but I have my doubts given the choice of RAM.

    I will know more when I get it on Thursday and will update if anyone is still view this thread. But, at $380.00 it is not a bad choice for a media machine.
  • tygrus - Sunday, February 7, 2016 - link

    OBM (the brands) bid for designs by the ODM's based on the design cost and the expected volume. I high cost Intel design can be made profitable by the expectation of very high volumes. Even the most popular AMD design is expected to sell fewer than a low-volume Intel design. Business limitations and commercial forces bias the system towards Intel. Intel also have deeper pockets to sponsor/partner/subsidise designs to make them Intel exclusive. From manufactures to distributors to retail, Intel penalise (withdraw discounts/subsidies) anyone who lets AMD gain market share (many limited to <10%) and limit the use of the "best" designs for AMD (forced to sell only A4 & A6 instead of A8 or better, limit battery and other features so Intel always looks better). The "Intel brakes" applied to AMD limits their opportunities and potential earnings. This has limited the AMD R&D spending and forced AMD to stay behind in some aspects. It's amazing what AMD has done with 28nm but think of the advantage they could have had with 22nm and 14nm if successful achieved much earlier (no more than 9months after Intel).
  • every1hasaids - Monday, February 8, 2016 - link

    I owned (owned being the operative word there) a Y700 with the AMD Carrizo FX8800P and can attest to the fact that the cooling solution and probably several other pieces of that device reviewed in this article are not the same design as what is available on the market in the US. There is a known issue of Lenovo skimping on the VRMs on the AMD Y700 which results in heavy throttling taking place. I couldn't play any game for more than 15 minutes before heavy throttling would occur. The data gathered from the review sample in this article should not be associated with the available product on the market. There appears to also be an FX-8700P variant of the Y700 out there however I cannot find any documentation of the existence of this device on Lenovo's site. Needless to say that I returned that laptop due to the significant throttling problems. I wish this site of some other site could get their hands on one of the FX-8800P Y700 laptops available in the US and put it through testing to reveal the problems with the unit. I'm guessing that they intend on releasing a Carrizo-L version of that laptop with the same motherboard which is why the VRMs are not up to the task of the 35w Carrizo and the added consumption of the dedicated graphics chip.

    Why are there no units out there that can handle the 35w TDP Carrizo and a dedicated graphics card!?!?!?! It would be a great alternative to the Intel/Nvidia gaming notebook monopoly.

    I'm hoping Zen/Polaris will actually see some adoption from OEMs and maybe AMD could even get involved in assisting proper implementation of their products so that the negative stigma could get nullified.
  • Jamesiii - Monday, February 8, 2016 - link

    The FX-8700P would more properly be called an A10-8700P. It sounds like a bit of marketing if they are using the FX handle.

    On gaming sites people are suggesting you turn off AMD's Turbo Core when gaming to avoid the FPS jumping up and down and overclock the processors. Overclocking a laptop is dicey at best though.
  • Malih - Monday, February 8, 2016 - link

    maybe Microsoft should start making an AMD Surface laptop if they want good competition to drive PC Sales
  • Marcelo Viana - Monday, February 8, 2016 - link

    I just don't understand why in a comparison carrizo vs intel you didn't take out the intel chips memory in order to both have 1 channel memory, so do a benchmark for us in a same condition.
    The entire article show that intel offering has OEMs given what intel chips need, so the point in comparing carrizo vs intel is the chip itself not platform, since AMD has no platform at all.
  • Elensar286 - Monday, February 8, 2016 - link

    That's a large focus of this article, though. The whole point was an investigation in to the implementation of Carrizo APUs by the OEM. It's highlighting exactly how like you said, the OEM platform, is hindering the potential of Carrizo processors.

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