The Intel Core i7-12700K and Core i5-12600K Review: High Performance For the Mid-Range

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• Qasar - Sunday, April 3, 2022 - link

  most of those i know that are now looking to upgrade, arent even looking at intel right now.

• Papaspud - Monday, April 4, 2022 - link

  I just bought a i7 1200k...so.

• Qasar - Monday, April 4, 2022 - link

  and i dont know you so, that doesnt count :-) i meant co workers and friends.

• Mike Bruzzone - Sunday, April 3, 2022 - link

  @Khanan, you got it, that's my job. [Intel] "they had a strong control over the market, we don’t need Intel to be completely dominating it again, they will be strong enough anyway"
  
  That is right, Intel never needed Intel Inside to tie channels financially, Intel processors for the most part were always good enough to move without what's called 'extra economic' incentives.
  
  Processor launches I was closely associated all the while Intel was recruiting me to steal from my employers which I ignored, reported to my superiors and in certain instances a mistake they were working for Intel clandestinely, and then my first report to FBI in summer of 1996; Cyrix FasMath, embedded 387, 486SLC, 486DLC, 486S, Arm Thumb TDMI, StrongARM, C-Cube PC MPEG encoder, NexGen 586, AMD 486 120/133 and K5, Samsung Alpha 21164, IDT Centaur WinChip and since May 1998 my FTC role. It's been an eye opener. mb

• mode_13h - Monday, April 4, 2022 - link

  I had a Cyrix math coprocessor. And later, an AMD 486DX4-100.

• mode_13h - Monday, April 4, 2022 - link

  > Better is if Intel loses more share of the market to AMD so it evens out at about 50% each
  
  That would depend on TSMC scaling fab capacity at an unreasonable pace. Even AMD isn't that unrealistic. If you comb through their reports and disclosures, you can find what targets they've set for themselves.
  
  To have a real market influence, I think AMD needs only about 20%. But they also can't be completely chained down by supply constraints.

• Mike Bruzzone - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link

  @mode_13th,
  
  My last AMD share report is q4 here in the comment string;
  
  https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/5030701-mike-br...
  
  AMD desktop share is typically higher than stated by commercial analysts.
  
  AMD mobile share is typically less than stated by commercial analysts. Its a financial and executive MBO validation game; sleezy combined with commercial analysts to validate executives quarterly MBOs this way.
  
  AMD commercial (server) share is more or less vis-a-vis Intel dependent calculating on channel share vs production share. AMD server share is typically less than commercial analyst statement when determined on channel and when calculating on quarterly production vs Intel its been more.
  
  My estimate in on that SA pointer is precise and gives cross category share a number of ways.
  
  Part of my FTC auditor monitor job is to determine when and where Intel share falls to less than 80%.
  
  mb

• Khanan - Thursday, April 7, 2022 - link

  Yea we will see about that, for now I don’t care much about your comment, you don’t know much about the future.

• drothgery - Tuesday, March 29, 2022 - link

  So's Raptor Lake.
  And Meteor Lake is coming next year (with a tile-based design).

• Khanan - Tuesday, March 29, 2022 - link

  I wouldn’t hold my breath for Intels as per usual abysmal 5% IPC gain and 0% gain on the E cores because the old ones will be reused. And then 24 cores / 48 threads vs 24 / 32 threads doesn’t look that good for Intel either.