Kaveri: Aiming for 1080p30 and Compute

The numerical differences between Kaveri and Richland are easy enough to rattle off – later in the review we will be discussing these in depth – but at a high level AMD is aiming for a middle ground between the desktop model (CPU + discrete graphics) and Apple’s Mac Pro dream (offloading compute onto different discrete graphics cards) by doing the dream on a single processor. At AMD’s Kaveri tech day the following graph was thrown in front of journalists worldwide:

With Intel now on board, processor graphics is a big deal. You can argue whether or not AMD should continue to use the acronym APU instead of SoC, but the fact remains that it's tough to buy a CPU without an integrated GPU.

In the absence of vertical integration, software optimization always trails hardware availability. If you look at 2011 as the crossover year when APUs/SoCs took over the market, it's not much of a surprise that we haven't seen aggressive moves by software developers to truly leverage GPU compute. Part of the problem has been programming model, which AMD hopes to address with Kaveri and HSA. Kaveri enables a full heterogeneous unified memory architecture (hUMA), such that the integrated graphics topology can access the full breadth of memory that the CPU can, putting a 32GB enabled compute device into the hands of developers.

One of the complexities of compute is also time: getting the CPU and GPU to communicate to each other without HSA and hUMA requires an amount of overhead that is not trivial. For compute, this comes in the form of allowing the CPU and GPU to work on the same data set at the same time, effectively opening up all the compute to the same task without asynchronous calls to memory copies and expensive memory checks for coherency.

The issue AMD has with their HSA ecosystem is the need for developers to jump on board. The analogy oft cited is that on Day 1, iOS had very few apps, yet today has millions. Perhaps a small equivocation fallacy comes in here – Apple is able to manage their OS and system in its entirety, whereas AMD has to compete in the same space as non-HSA enabled products and lacks the control. Nevertheless, AMD is attempting to integrate programming tools for HSA (and OpenCL 2.0) as seamlessly as possible to all modern platforms via a HSA Instruction Layer (HSAIL). The goal is for programming languages like Java, C++ and C++ AMP, as well as common acceleration API libraries and toolkits to provide these features at little or no coding cost. This is something our resident compute guru Rahul will be looking at in further detail later on in the review.

On the gaming side, 30 FPS has been a goal for AMD’s integrated graphics solutions for a couple of generations now.

Arguably we could say that any game should be able to do 30 FPS if we turn down the settings far enough, but AMD has put at least one restriction on that: resolution. 1080p is a lofty goal to hold at 30 FPS with some of the more challenging titles of today. In our testing in this review, it was clear that users had a choice – start with a high resolution and turn the settings down, or keep the settings on medium-high and adjust the resolution. Games like BF4 and Crysis 3 are going to tax any graphics card, especially when additional DirectX 11 features come in to play (ambient occlusion, depth of field, global illumination, and bilateral filtering are some that AMD mention).

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  • YuLeven - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    So a cheap Pentium / Athlon CPU paired with a dGPU costs less and gives more gaming performance. Yaaaaaaaaaawn AMD.
  • thomascheng - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    yeah, I agree, these type of benchmarks doesn't paint a proper picture in the same category. It's like a Ferrari vs Honda Civic. The Ferrari wins, but cost a lot more. At least have a price to performance benchmark, which is much more useful.
  • Bob Todd - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    If it wasn't clear from the article, the dGPU setup doesn't need that 4770K to be the fastest. You could buy a cheap dual core Pentium + 7750 for under $170 and still be in the same position. The only good news I see from a quick scan through the article is the A8-7600 @ 45W, mostly because there may be some hope of decent mobile parts that can do 720p gaming.
  • YuLeven - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    In fact, as of today you can buy a Pentium + HD 7770GE for US$175~ on Newegg.
  • thomascheng - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    if Mantle and True Audio takes off, I think the apu would be a better deal. Plus you get a smaller form factor and better support for the new technologies.
  • YuLeven - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    The HD 7770GE is a GNC part, so it has mantle. This renders the APU even less compelling.
  • Bob Todd - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    As YuLeven already pointed out, you can get much faster GCN dGPUs for the same price. But I'll go ahead and discredit the 'smaller form factor' advantage. AMD is nearly non-existent in mini ITX. There are a whopping 2 FM2+ mITX boards on Newegg (and only 2 more FM2). It's so bad that Newegg doesn't even expand the "Form Factor" filter by default for AMD, but they do for Intel (who has 24 mITX boards just for LGA 1150).

    Like I said, I have some (tiny) hope for mobile Kaveri to enable 720p gaming in a portable package, but even there I am worried about idle power consumption compared to Haswell. For desktop, Kaveri looks like a bust since even niches like htpc gaming aren't in the realm of possibility at 1080p.
  • drezden444 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    Well. Good step forward, but yet a small step. The part about 45W improvement is really a good one. And obvious AMD can have an excellent notebook APU. I think we may have 35W 2.8-3GHz notebook A8 APU. Question. What about overclock. I'll be delighted to know whether this CPU has a potential. And keep in mind that I may buy 760K(overclock it between 4.5-5.1GHz) and 7750(or even maybe 7770) for the same money. So, what about this $ numbers.
  • YuLeven - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    What I want to see on Kaveri's mobile appearance is power consumption. Trinnity had a decent GPU, but the designs it won gave you pathetic 3 hour of WiFi battery life. Trinnity ULV was awfully slow and nowhere close to Haswell's battery offerings. If Kaveri keeps like this, it will end again only inside boring, thick, hot and loud budget 'gaming' notebooks.
  • drezden444 - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - link

    True! But I'm really impressed by a6-5200 bobcat 25W. This is a CPU with a potential bigger than Kaveri. I'm kinda thinking, if they just merge both APUs into 1 much better. And still, Kaveri 35W 2,8GHZ for budget 'gaming' laptops will be a good deal for gaming at 1366*768.

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