Compute

Jumping into compute, our expectations regarding compute performance are going to be a mixed bag. On the one hand as part of the newer GCN 1.2 architecture AMD has been doing some tweaking under the hood, but on the other hand the most important aspects of the architecture – the memory model and thread execution – are not fundamentally different from the GCN 1.0 R9 280. As a result we’re not necessarily expecting to find any performance leaps here but there is the possibility that we will find some along the way.

As always we’ll start with LuxMark2.0, the official benchmark of SmallLuxGPU 2.0. SmallLuxGPU is an OpenCL accelerated ray tracer that is part of the larger LuxRender suite. Ray tracing has become a stronghold for GPUs in recent years as ray tracing maps well to GPU pipelines, allowing artists to render scenes much more quickly than with CPUs alone.

Compute: LuxMark 2.0

Right off the bat we find an unexpected regression in performance with LuxMark. All things considered we would expect the R9 285 to score similarly to the R9 280 given their nearly identical theoretical FP32 throughput, similar to what we’ve seen in our gaming benchmarks. Instead we have the R9 285 trailing its predecessor by 15%, and coming very close to tying the otherwise much slower R9 270X. Given that this is a new architecture there are a few possibilities here including a lack of OpenCL driver optimizations on AMD’s part, though we can’t entirely rule out bandwidth either since ray tracing can burn up bandwidth at times. Tonga is after all first and foremost a graphics product, and AMD’s memory bandwidth saving compression technology is similarly designed for graphics and not compute, meaning the R9 285 doesn’t have much to make up for the loss of bandwidth in compute tasks versus the R9 280.

In any case, even with R9 285 lagging the R9 280, it’s otherwise a strong showing for AMD. AMD cards overall perform very well on this benchmark compared to NVIDIA’s offerings, so the R9 285 has no trouble shooting well past the GTX 760.

Our 2nd compute benchmark is Sony Vegas Pro 12, an OpenGL and OpenCL video editing and authoring package. Vegas can use GPUs in a few different ways, the primary uses being to accelerate the video effects and compositing process itself, and in the video encoding step. With video encoding being increasingly offloaded to dedicated DSPs these days we’re focusing on the editing and compositing process, rendering to a low CPU overhead format (XDCAM EX). This specific test comes from Sony, and measures how long it takes to render a video.

Compute: Sony Vegas Pro 12 Video Render

Unlike LuxMark, we aren’t seeing a performance gain nor a regression here. The R9 285 is every bit as fast as the R9 280. Meanwhile as has consistently been the case in this benchmark, all of AMD’s cards are well ahead of our NVIDIA cards.

Our 3rd benchmark set comes from CLBenchmark 1.1. CLBenchmark contains a number of subtests; for our standard benchmark suite we focus on the most practical of them, the computer vision test and the fluid simulation test. The former is a useful proxy for computer imaging tasks where systems are required to parse images and identify features (e.g. humans), while fluid simulations are common in professional graphics work and games alike.

Compute: CLBenchmark 1.1 Fluid Simulation

Compute: CLBenchmark 1.1 Computer Vision

Depending on which subtest we’re looking at, the R9 285 either outperforms or trails the R9 280. The fluid simulation subtest finds the R9 285 performing just shy of the more powerful R9 280X, while the R9 285 comes up short of the R9 280 in computer vision. Computer vision is the more bandwidth sensitive benchmark of the two, so it follows that it’s the benchmark more likely to be influenced by the loss of raw memory bandwidth. Otherwise the R9 285’s strong showing in the fluid simulation is unexpected, and given what we know we’re at a bit of a loss to explain it.

Looking at the broader picture, this is yet another test where AMD’s cards do well against NVIDIA’s non-compute cards. Overall the R9 285 is 2-3x faster than the GTX 760 here.

Moving on, our fourth compute benchmark is FAHBench, the official Folding @ Home benchmark. Folding @ Home is the popular Stanford-backed research and distributed computing initiative that has work distributed to millions of volunteer computers over the internet, each of which is responsible for a tiny slice of a protein folding simulation. FAHBench can test both single precision and double precision floating point performance, with single precision being the most useful metric for most consumer cards due to their low double precision performance. Each precision has two modes, explicit and implicit, the difference being whether water atoms are included in the simulation, which adds quite a bit of work and overhead. This is another OpenCL test, utilizing the OpenCL path for FAHCore 17.

Compute: Folding @ Home: Explicit, Single Precision

Compute: Folding @ Home: Implicit, Single Precision

When it comes to single precision the R9 285 edges out the R9 280, though not significantly so. R9 285 still seemingly benefits from some of the GCN 1.2 architectural optimizations, but not to the same extent we’ve seen in other benchmarks.

Overall AMD’s GCN cards are a strong performer in this benchmark and the R9 285 is no exception. GTX 760 trails R9 285 when it comes to implicit single precision, and is blown away in the explicit single precision benchmark.

Compute: Folding @ Home: Explicit, Double Precision

Meanwhile for double precision the R9 285 falls well behind the R9 280. Since Tonga is not designed to pull double-duty as a graphics and high performance compute GPU like Tahiti was, Tonga is configured for 1/16 rate double precision performance, 1/4 the rate of the more powerful Tahiti. As a result it can never keep up with the R9 280 in a double precision workload. Consequently AMD and the R9 285 still have a lead in F@H with double precision, but not to the degree we’ve seen elsewhere. The R9 285 is only about 30% faster than the GTX 760 here.

Wrapping things up, our final compute benchmark is an in-house project developed by our very own Dr. Ian Cutress. SystemCompute is our first C++ AMP benchmark, utilizing Microsoft’s simple C++ extensions to allow the easy use of GPU computing in C++ programs. SystemCompute in turn is a collection of benchmarks for several different fundamental compute algorithms, with the final score represented in points. DirectCompute is the compute backend for C++ AMP on Windows, so this forms our other DirectCompute test.

Compute: SystemCompute v0.5.7.2 C++ AMP Benchmark

SystemCompute exposes another case where the R9 285 comes up short compared to the R9 280, though only slightly. AMD’s latest card can deliver 93% of the performance of an R9 280, and most likely it’s suffering just a bit from the reduction in memory bandwidth. Otherwise it’s still more than 50% ahead of the GTX 760 and still comfortably ahead of the more powerful GTX 770.

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  • MrSpadge - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link

    The point is that Tonga is NOT a rebrand. It's a brand-new chip, AMD themselves call it the 3rd generation of GCN. Making a new chip costs AMD a sgnificant amount of money, that's why they haven't bothered yet to update Pitcairn to at least 2nd gen GCN (1.1). And I'm totally fine with that. It's also OK for nVidia to use GK104 for GTX760. What's not OK - from my point of view - is AMD investing into this new chip Tonga and hardly getting any real world benefit over the 3 year old Tahiti designs. If nVidia introduces a Maxwell which performs and costs them just the same as the previous Kepler, I'll call them out for this as well. But this is pretty much excluded, from what we've seen so far.

    "And I highly doubt the 285 is 'all amd has'."
    It's their 3rd gen GCN architecture, as they say themselves. There's going to be a bigger chip using this architecture, but apart from that I doubt we'll see anything from AMD in the next year which is not yet in Tonga.
  • just4U - Friday, September 12, 2014 - link

    The one nice thing about the 285 is it will have resale value that has been lost on the 280-290 series thanks in large part to bit mining. There's a good chance that most won't feel that the 285 (and future incarnations) were run into the ground like the earlier ones were.
  • Frenetic Pony - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link

    Nah, what's interesting is that Maxwell may not be worth "responding" too. It's an almost totally mobile focused design, one that's not even totally out yet. If these benchmarks hold true then it's very exciting for AMD's upcoming high end. Nvidia may end up with a 512bit bus as well, but AMD's bandwidth optimizations will mean a similarly specced card of their's will still handily beat anything NVIDIA has in terms of resolution scaling.

    Heck it may even be enough to get a single GPU capable of running games at 4k at a reasonable fps. And that would be awesome. Maxwell might be good for Nvidia's mobile business, but I doubt it's going to help them take back the top spot for high end stuff from AMD.
  • mindbomb - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link

    UVD always supported vc-1. The first version supported full decode of h264 and vc-1. You are thinking of nvidia, who didn't have full hardware decode on a real desktop part until fermi.
  • mindbomb - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link

    Not that it matters really. It stopped being relevant when hd-dvd lost to bluray.
  • Navvie - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link

    A lot of blu-rays have vc-1 content.
  • nathanddrews - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link

    Blu-ray.com has a database that you can search by codec. VC-1 is very much alive and thriving.
  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link

    According to my DXVA logs, the 280 did not support VC-1/WMV9. That is what I'm basing that on.
  • mindbomb - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link

    I think your logs are referring to the nvidia gtx 280, which did not support full vc-1 decode. AMD had it since the radeon 2600xt, which is ancient.
  • NikosD - Saturday, September 13, 2014 - link

    True.

    One of the main advantages of first generation UVD (ATI Radeon HD2000 series) over Nvidia, was the full DXVA VLD support of both 1080p H.264 L4.1 (BluRay spec) and VC-1.

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