ASUS Crosshair V Formula BIOS 

Republic of Gamers BIOSes are great.  Millions of options, not a whole lot of people know what they do, if they do anything at all.  What we get is the standard ASUS graphical BIOS with a lot of heavy after-market modification.  First thing that catches a user's eye will be the change to a red theme to be consistent with ROG advertising, but also that the BIOS defaults to the advanced mode rather than the EZ mode of other non-ROG boards.

As a result we do not get the bevy of information on the front screen that I would personally like, such as CPU model, CPU temperatures and voltages all in a neatly packaged visual section.  However this decision is most likely due to extreme overclockers wanting to use the board, and get to the overclocking options as quickly as possible.

There are two types of option in a ROG BIOS – ones that you know what they do (CPU multiplier, voltage, fan speed), and memory ones that you do not know (in my case, for example, the CS/ODT fine delay).  For all your memory needs, Rajinder’s article for AnandTech back in August 2010 is still a fine read to get into the nitty gritty and would probably help understand a few of these options.  But truth be told, ASUS seem to have put everything under the sun from the chipset manual available in the BIOS.

However for the likes of Johnny System Builder, or Katie Enthusiast, overclocking on the Crosshair V Formula is similar to any previous AMD system.  We have options for all the standard typical AMD worries – CPU multiplier, CPU base frequency, voltages, HyperTransport links, NB frequency, memory straps, and options to enable/disable AMD’s Turbo Core.  Even the Digi+ VRM solution options are present, allowing a little extra range for the power delivery components.  In order to probe any XMP for your memory, ASUS has developed D.O.C.P, an option under ‘AI Overclock Tuner’ which adapts various options to try and match your memory profile.  I will go through my overclocking with both Thuban and Bulldozer below.

As is standard with the high end of ASUS’ range of motherboards, AHCI is enabled for SATA devices by default, which in my mind is a good thing.  Also on the Crosshair V Formula is ASUS Core Unlocker, to allow users of ‘crippled’ processors to unlock cores that have been disabled.  To clarify what I mean by a crippled processor, I refer to a processor that is internally a quad core, but one core is disabled as it did not conform to specifications and the package is sold as a tri-core.  This technique is being used more and more in the semiconductor industry as it allows a greater proportion of CPU dies from a production wafer to be sold, reducing waste and increasing yields (at the expense of each die being a little bigger as it contains extra cores).  Of course, these cores are disabled for a reason, so your mileage may vary – the processor you have may have a core disabled purely because AMD needed to increase stock numbers of one part, rather than one core being slightly malformed in the manufacturing processes.  But I digress…

Fan controls on ASUS products are always top notch due to the more expensive but better fan controllers they use.  For us in the BIOS, the CPU fans come under one setting of their own, the three chassis fans also have a single setting, but the option fans can be controlled individually as required.

Overclocking

I will level with you all – AMD overclocking on an ‘enthusiast’ level is not something I have done in a while.  Fusion and Llano were low power and mainstream platforms respectively, and I was unprepared for AMD overclocking.  However, after a crash course and some practice, I was able to overclock both a Thuban X6 1100T processor and the Bulldozer FX-8150 to reasonable levels with ease.

Thuban X6 1100T

The X6-1100T starts life as a 3.3 GHz component, resulting in a 16.5x multiplier at 200 MHz base frequency. 

OC Button: Using ASUS’ onboard OC button, this applied a 10%/20 MHz base frequency overclock (16.5x @ 220 MHz = 3625 MHz) and raised the CPU voltage to 1.4 V.  Memory likewise is increased – it was moved to the 1600 MHz strap, then as the base frequency was raised 10%, so did the memory, to 1760 MHz.  The system was clever enough to also probe the XMP settings, giving sub timings at 1760 MHz at 9-11-9 sub timings.  (This is despite the fact that the memory used is rated for 2133 9-11-9, meaning that 1760 9-11-9 should be a breeze.)  This overclock was Blender stable, reaching 50ºC peak temperature.

AI Suite: Using the AI Suite software in the operating system, the Fast setting gave exactly the same as the OC button.  The Extreme setting was a little more complex, giving the system a series of stress tests and raising the frequency until an error was encountered.  There were a few downsides to this – while the system is fairly clever, it never adjusted the multiplier of the CPU, and when the system crashed it considered that the end and gave that overclock.  As a result, we only got an overclock 1 MHz (0.5%) above what the fast setting had achieved, and this setting didn’t even apply an memory overclock, giving DDR3-1182 MHz.  I was kind of disappointed by this.

Manual Overclock: Using the auto overclocks as a guide, I set my CPU voltage to 1.5 volts, the NB voltage to 1.15 volts, and the memory to 1.65 volts.  Throughout the overclocking, I attempted to keep the NB Link frequency and HyperTransport frequency at their default levels by adjusting the straps.

My manual overclock attack has a three pronged approach:

a) Max base frequency.  For this test, I reduce the multiplier down to a low level (x8), and then raise the base frequency until it is unstable.  Then I raise the multiplier back up until the system is stable.  Doing this, I managed 13x CPU multiplier at 320 MHz, giving 4160 MHz as a total overclock.  This gave a load voltage of 1.56 volts due to automatic load line calibration, but only hit 57ºC maximum during a Blender stress test.

b) Default base frequency, high multiplier.  This test is easy to understand – just keep upping the multiplier until the system is unstable.  The issue with this is that AMD systems are unlike Sandy Bridge systems – rather there being a definite frequency the processor does or doesn’t work, there is a gradual decline.  Nevertheless, I found that 20.5x multiplier at 200 MHz was the best I could do at 1.5 volts on the CPU, giving a CPU frequency of 4100 MHz.

c) Mix of base frequency and multiplier.  For this test, I raise the base frequency until I am happy with the memory clock (as changing one changes the other), then raise the multiplier until it is stable.  This is a little trickier to pin down, as there could be variations in stability across a range of frequencies.  The best result which was fully Blender stable was with a 18.0x multiplier at 230 MHz, giving a total overclock of 4140 MHz.

Bulldozer FX-8150

The FX-8150 starts life as a 3.6 GHz component, rising to 3.9 GHz on heavy loads and 4.2 GHz on light loads.  By default, this is a 18.0x multiplier at 200 MHz base frequency.  Testing is as the Thuban core.

OC Button: Similar to the Thuban, using ASUS’ onboard OC button applied a 10%/20 MHz base frequency overclock (18.0x @ 220 MHz = 3960 MHz) and raised the CPU voltage to 1.4 V.  However, this disabled the Turbo Core functionality, meaning that performance is actually decreased, especially in lightly threaded loads.  Memory also received a 10% bump, to 1760 MHz at XMP sub timings.  This overclock was Blender stable, reaching 57ºC peak temperature.

AI Suite: Using the AI Suite software in the operating system, again the Fast setting gave exactly the same as the OC button.  With the Extreme setting, we got a little more in the system – the CPU/NB voltage was raised to 1.4 volts, but ended up with a stable 18.0x multiplier and 225 MHz base frequency, giving 4050 MHz total.

Manual Overclock: Using the auto overclocks as a guide, I set my CPU voltage to 1.5 volts, the NB voltage to 1.15 volts, and the memory to 1.65 volts, exactly the same as the Thuban setup.  Again, throughout the overclocking, I attempted to keep the NB Link frequency and HyperTransport frequency at their default levels by adjusting the straps.

a) Max base frequency.  For this test, I reduce the multiplier down to a low level (x8), and then raise the base frequency until it is unstable.  Then I raise the multiplier back up until the system is stable.  Doing this, I managed 14.5x CPU multiplier at 320 MHz, giving 4640 MHz as a total overclock.  This gave a load voltage of 1.512 volts due to automatic load line calibration, and hit 77ºC maximum during a stress test.

b) Default base frequency, high multiplier.  This test is easy to understand – just keep upping the multiplier until the system is unstable.  Unfortunately, due to the nature of AMD systems, this was a very flawed approach.  While the system often acted stable for a given multiplier, during the Blender stress test it would work fine initially then overheat and protection would kick in, causing the system to reboot.  Bulldozer runs hot!  From 23.0x multiplier down to 21.0x, it would keep restarting when it overheated.

c) Mix of base frequency and multiplier.  For this test, I raise the base frequency until I am happy with the memory clock (as changing one changes the other), then raise the multiplier until it is stable.  My attempt at 266 MHz (to give DDR3-2133) and 17x multiplier worked well, until about 12 minutes into the Blender test, where it would overheat.  Consequently at lower multipliers, this would occur as well.

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  • mmstick - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    The primary problem with AMD FX is that in order to use the full power of the FPU the program needs to be compiled with FMA4 support, else it is only using half of the FPUs, thus making it a quad core. Secondly, many Windows-based programs are compiled with the Intel C+ compiler, so although the FX may support AVX and many other instructions, the compiled program sees it as a non-Intel CPU so it disables those instruction sets, allowing Intel CPUs to be optimized, and AMD CPUs to remain deoptimized. This is what happens when you are up against someone with the most market share, whom has the ability to dictate what instruction sets they want programmers to use. As well, when people say they are going to buy Intel CPUs instead because they claim AMD didn't make a good processor, why do you think they can't be on top of performance? Without R&D budget there isn't much that can be done, and when you face someone who practically owns a monopoly, that makes it even moreso harder to compete.
  • Omoronovo - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    The IC++ compiler has not done that since 2010 when they were forced to settle their antitrust dispute with AMD.
  • DigitalFreak - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    " This is what happens when you are up against someone with the most market share, whom has the ability to dictate what instruction sets they want programmers to use. As well, when people say they are going to buy Intel CPUs instead because they claim AMD didn't make a good processor, why do you think they can't be on top of performance? Without R&D budget there isn't much that can be done, and when you face someone who practically owns a monopoly, that makes it even moreso harder to compete."

    Waaaaah. It's always someone else's fault.
  • anubis44 - Friday, November 9, 2012 - link

    "Waaaaah. It's always someone else's fault."

    Well, sometimes it really IS someone else's fault. If the mafia had it in for you, and cut your brake cables and burnt your house down when you weren't looking, you'd say it's 'someone else's fault' too. Intel's blackmail and threats to suppliers who used AMD processors kinda screwed AMD over just a tad.

    That said, I think now that Jim Keller is back at AMD and head of AMD's CPU division, it won't be too long before AMD is seriously back in the game.
  • Monkeysweat - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    I saw them on some of the benchmarks, why didn't you post them along side the AMD benchies for gaming?

    If we are looking at a roundup of the best of what AMD and it's partners have to offer, I'd like to see what the competing team brings to the table,, just leave em stock and even let the AMD ones get overclocked.

    I wouldn't even worry about cherry picking the Intel combos,, just something random.
  • Beenthere - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    AMD has not abandoned the highend CPU market. Their focus may be broadening but that does not mean they will discontinue discrete highend desktop CPUs for at least several years. Eventually everyone except a small group will use APUs as they will deliver the best performance/value proposition. Only extremists will bother with a discrete CPU/GPU with higher power consumption, increased heat and little practical benefit for mainstream users.
  • Articuno - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    It's a pretty nice chipset and the lower tier boards are quite cost-effective. Just wish Bulldozer was competitive with Intel, let alone their last gen chips.
  • Mathieu Bourgie - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    Thank you for this article Ian.

    Are there any chance that we'll see a review of the newer FX-6200 CPU or at least have data for it in the CPU bench? Considering that it's 500MHz faster than the model that it's replacing and no major site (or any that I can see) did a review of it, it'd be interesting to see how it performs.

    I'm curious to see if it's a valid alternative, in any way, for $170, vs the Intel Core i5-2300 ($180).

    I don't expect any miracle for gaming performance, but for workstation workloads (Photoshop, video editing and the like), who knows?

    Thanks,
    Mathieu
  • cosminmcm - Thursday, April 5, 2012 - link

    There is a review at pcper, a good one. The processor is pretty weak, nothing exciting there. Thuban walks all over it.
  • Mathieu Bourgie - Friday, April 6, 2012 - link

    Thanks, I didn't see that.

    Quite disappointing indeed.

    Here's about that Piledriver or Trinity are more competitive.

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