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Bulldozer

AMD already gave us a good amount of detail on Bulldozer earlier this year. We’ll start with a quick refresher.

With Nehalem, Intel moved to a more modular design process that would allow it the ability to quickly configure different versions of the chip to hit various markets. With Bulldozer, AMD is doing the same.

The basic building block is the Bulldozer module. AMD calls this a dual-core module because it has two independent integer cores and a single shared floating point core that can service instructions from two independent threads. The two thread machine is larger than a single core but smaller than two cores with straight duplication of resources.

All else being the same, it should give you more threaded performance than a single SMT (Hyper Threaded) core but less than two dedicated cores. The savings are obviously on the die side. AMD tells us that the second integer core increases the Bulldozer module die by around 12%, despite significantly increasing performance in threaded integer applications.

Processors may implement anywhere from one to four Bulldozer modules and will be referred to as 2 to 8 core CPUs. Each core appears to the OS as a logical processor similar to what you get with Hyper Threading. A CPU with four Bulldozer modules would appear as an 8-threaded processor under Task Manager in Windows.

AMD argues that the Bulldozer module is ideal provisioning of hardware. With SMT (Hyper Threading) you force too much into a single core, while with traditional multicore you often waste hardware as any idle resources are duplicated across the chip.

Bulldozer CPUs will be AMD’s first 32nm processors manufactured at GlobalFoundries.

The new details today are about everything inside of the Bulldozer module.

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  • Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    If you're encoding using Adobe software, ditch AMD until Bulldozer. Adobe's software makes heavy use of SSE 4.1 instructions, which current AMD chips lack, and the extra two cores don't pick up the slack compared to a fast i7. Reply
  • flyck - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    From the design of Bulldozer's FPU it is cleared that AMD want Multi Threaded FPU to run on OpenCL.

    Not sure what you mean with that? (it is true they want to abuse that in the future with fusion) but at this moment i see: Sandybridge 2hreads -> one FPU, Bulldozer 2 threads -> one FPU
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  • BitJunkie - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    I think he's picking up on the point that this general purpose design is going to favour integer operations over floating point. Looking at this architecture from the perspective of someone wanting to perform a lot of floating point matrix calculus then the performance improvement of each "core" is going to be proportionally less than for integer calcs.

    So what he's saying is that quite clearly AMD believe that general purpose CPUs are just that and have designed for a well defined balance of FP and Interger operations i.e. If you want more FLOPS go talk to the GPU?
    Reply
  • stalker27 - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    "And if Bulldozer comes any later, it will be up against the die shrink of SandyBridge, Ivy Bridge. Things dont look so good in here."

    Basically, you've contradicted yourself right here:

    "Most of us dont need SUPER FAST computer."

    True, and true.... Ivy will probably be faster than Bulldozer (speculatively) as is Nehalem to Stars, but most people, i.e. the "cash cow" won't buy these expensive products. Instead they will focus on mid to low end computers which by their performance is more then/or enough for their needs.

    So things might not look good in reviews and bench tops, but in the stores and on people's bank balances they will look pretty good.
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  • jabber - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    Hooray!

    I'm glad at last some folks are waking up to the fact that having the fastest or most expensive CPU means absolutely jack!

    All the latest fastest CPU stuff just means a little bit more internet traffic for tech review sites.

    The rest of the world doesnt give a damn.

    All the real world is interested in is the best CPU for the buck in a $400 PC box to run W7 and Office on. AMD needs to get a proper marketing dept to start telling folks that.

    All AMD has to do is produce good performing chips for a good price. It dosent need a CPU to beat the best of Intel.

    The real world lost interest in CPU performance the minute dual cores arrived and they could finally run IE/Office and a couple of mainframe sessions without it grinding to a halt.

    I bet Intel gives out more review samples of its top CPU than it sells.
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  • JPForums - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    "All the real world is interested in is the best CPU for the buck in a $400 PC box to run W7 and Office on. AMD needs to get a proper marketing dept to start telling folks that."

    "The real world lost interest in CPU performance the minute dual cores arrived and they could finally run IE/Office and a couple of mainframe sessions without it grinding to a halt."

    Apparently us Engineers aren't part of "The rest of the world".
    Try running products from the likes of Mentor Graphics, Cadence, and Synopsis for reasonably large designs. Check out what a difference each new CPU makes in PROe (assuming sufficient GPU horsepower). Run some large Matlab simulations, Visual studio compilations, and Xilinx builds. You don't even have to get out of college before you run into many of these scenarios.

    Trust me when I say that we care about the next greatest thing.
    An extra $1000 dollars on a CPU is easily justified when companies are billing $100+ per Engineering hour (not to be confused with take home pay).
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  • BitJunkie - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    Exactly so: An example would be a 24hr calculation to perform a detailed 3D finite element analysis. This is not unusual using highly spec'd Xeon work stations from your vendor of choice.

    It might take 5 to 10 days to set up a model including testing of different aspects: Mesh density, discretisation errors, boundary effects, parametric studies. The set up time with numerous supporting pre-analysis runs is what really costs. Anything we can do to reduce this is worth while.

    The above would be the typical process BEFORE considering a batch-job on a HPC cluster if we wanted to look at a series of load cases etc.

    Time is money.
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  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link


    I know a number of movie studios who love every extra bit of
    CPU muscle they can get their hands on. Rendering really
    hammers current hardware. One place has more than 7000
    XEON cores, but it's never enough. Short of writing specialised
    sw to exploit shared-memory machines that use i7 XEONs (which
    has its own costs), the demand for ever higher processing
    speed will always persist. Visual effects complexity constantly
    increases as artists push the boundaries of what is possible.
    And this is just one example market segment. As BitJunkie
    suggests, these issues surface everywhere.

    Another good example: the new Cosmos machine in the UK
    which contains 128 x 6-core i7 XEON (Nehalem EX) with
    2TB RAM (ie. 768 cores total). This is a _single system_,
    not a cluster (SGI Altix UV). Nothing less is good enough for
    running modern cosmological simulations. There will be
    much effort by those using the system on achieving good
    efficiency with 512+ cores; atm many HPC tasks don't scale
    well beyond 32 to 64 cores. Point being, improving the
    performance of a single core is just as important as general
    core scaling for such complex tasks. SGI's goal is to produce
    a next-gen UV system which will scale to 262144 cores in
    a single shared-memory system (32768 x 8-core CPUs).

    You can never have enough computing power. :D

    Ian.
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  • stalker27 - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - link

    You're 1% of the market... for you, Intel and AMD have reserved cherry-picked chips that they can charge you 1K for but at the same time offer you that needed speed. How's that?

    BTW, he said real world, not rest of the world. That makes you somewhat of an illusion. But don't take it the bad way... more like most of us would dream working in an environment full of hot setups, big projects and big bux, unlike in the real world where you have to mop the floor after debugging for 8 hours straight... if they don't force you to work extra two hours without pay, never-mind that before you start the workday you have to go to various bureaucratic public clerk offices to deal with stuff that was supposed to be taken care by secretaries... which got fired for no apparent reason some time ago.

    So stop moaning... you have it good, even as 1%.
    Reply
  • Makaveli - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - link

    lol if AMD and intel followed your logic we would all still be running Pentium 2 and socket A Athlons silly boy.

    You make yourself look like an ass when you make a generalized statement like that, as if you are speaking for the rest of the world.

    As that other guy pointed out some of us do more than just office work on our pc's!
    Reply

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