Assessing IBM's POWER8, Part 1: A Low Level Look at Little Endian
by Johan De Gelas on July 21, 2016 8:45 AM ESTSystem Specs
Lastly, let's take a look at some high level specs. It is interesting to note that the IBM POWER8 inside our S812LC server is a 10-core Single Chip Module. In other words it is a single 10-core die, unlike the 10-core chip in our S822L server which was made of two 5-core dies. That should improve performance for applications that use many cores and need to synchronize, as the latency of hopping from one chip to another is tangible.
The SKU inside the S812LC is available to third parties such Supermicro and Tyan. This cheaper SKU runs at "only" 2.92 GHz, but will easily turbo to 3.5 GHz.
| Feature | IBM POWER8 (Available in LC servers) |
Intel Broadwell (Xeon E5 v4) |
| Process tech. | 22nm SOI | 14nm FinFET |
| Max clock | 2.92-3.5 GHz | 2.2-3.6 GHz |
| Max. core count Max. thread count |
10@2.92 GHz (3.5 GHz Turbo) 80 SMT |
22@2.2 GHz (2.8 GHz turbo) 44 SMT |
| TDP | 190W | 145W |
| L1-I / L1-D Cache | 32 KB/64 KB | 32 KB/32 KB |
| L2 Cache | 512 KB SRAM per core | 256 KB SRAM per core |
| L3 Cache | 8 MB eDRAM per core | 2.5 MB SRAM per core |
| L4 Cache | 16 MB eDRAM per MBC (64 MB total) |
None |
| Memory | 1 TB per socket - 32 slots (32 GB per DIMM) |
0.768 TB per socket - 12 slots (64 GB per DIMM) |
| Theoretical Memory Bandwidth | 76.8 GB/s Read 38.4 GB/s Write |
76.8 GB/s Read or Write |
| PCIe 3.0 Lanes | 32 Lanes | 40 Lanes |
The Xeon and IBM POWER8 have totally different memory subsystems. The IBM POWER8 connects to 4 "Centaur" buffer cache chips, which have each a 19.2 GB/s read and 9.6 GB/s write link to the processor, or 28.8 GB/s in total. This is a more efficient connection than the Xeon which has a simpler half-duplex connection to the RAM: it can either write with 76.8 GB/s to the 4 channels or read from the 4 channels. Considering that reads happen twice as much as writes, the IBM architecture is - in theory - better balanced and has more aggregated bandwidth.
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tipoo - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
They made PowerPC Windows? Source? I remember the Powermac G5s were the early dev kits for the xbox 360 due to the architecture similarity, but I assumed those stories meant they were just working in OSX or Linux on them.thunderbird32 - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
AFAIK, the last build of Windows for PPC was NT 4. So, it's been a while.Sunner - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
There were early builds of Windows 2000 for the RISC's as well, during the times when it was still called NT5. I had one of those from WinHEC, but alas I lost it when moving at some point. :(yuhong - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
AFAIK, the little endian PowerPC mode that NT4 used was killed when they went to 64-bit and is different from today's POWER8 little endian mode that was only recently introduced.Kevin G - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
I used to have such a disc for Windows NT4. That disk also had binaries for DEC Alpha and MIPS.BillyONeal - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
The Xbox 360 is a PPC machine, and runs a (heavily modified) version of Windows. My understanding is that most x86 assumptions had to be ferreted out to run on Itanium (early) and then on ARM (later).Einy0 - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
MS has builds that will run on anything. The real question is why would you want to? These chips are designed from the ground up to run massive work loads. It's a completely different style of computing than a Windows machine. Even MS server OSes aren't designed for this type of work. We are talking Banking, ERP and other big data applications. MS is still dreaming about scaling on that level. Right now their answer is clustering but that comes with it's own obstacles too.abufrejoval - Thursday, August 4, 2016 - link
Well there is always QEMU.And IBM has a much better binary translator from when they bought QuickTransit. That one originally translated Power to x86 for the Mac, then Sparc to x86 for Quicktransit and eventually x86 to Power for IBM so they could run Linux workloads on AIX.
Then what exactly do you mean with Windows (assuming this is actually a reasonable question)?
Server applications or desktop?
.NET has been ported to Linux and I guess could be made to run on Power. A Power runtime could certainly be done by Microsoft, if they wanted to.
I don't see why anyone would want to run Windows desktop workloads on this hardware, other than to show that it can be done: QEMU to that!
BedfordTim - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
I was intrigued to see how little effect hyper-threading with your Xeon. My own experience is that it gives a 50% boost although I appreciate there are many variables.Taracta - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
Something seems to be wrong with the Mem Hierarchy charts in the Intel L3 and 16MB section.